My problem with CatinaSuit’s plan is the same that we’ve had this entire game with similar schemes. We’ll never get the whole group to go along with it. What are the other 6 players going to do? Not vote at all?
I am convinced enough that Pygmy Rugger is a Cultist that I feel better with my vote as it is unless the town, including people not in The Group, come to a consensus (not you, zuma, I don’t care what you think).
USCDiver. The only people who should have a problem with this plan are Hockey Monkey as it reduces her blocking capability from 1/4 to 1/6 and the Cult who will not want to vote in case **zuma ** is the Avatar.
You are quite correct, the main 5 town power roles would not vote. It would be the 6 unknowns and zuma can vote for whoever he likes.
This plan will guarantee a scum kill, and has a further 1/8 chance of also killing a scum. The downside is that it has a 1/8 chance of also killing a townie. However, doing it this way will minimise the impact to the town if it is the Avatar.
Being honest, this is about making the scum vote for one of their own and seeing who flinches first.
Catina, I’m willing to go along with your plan, but I see a fatal flaw in it. Say we are in a LyoLo situation. We tell only 6 people to vote, and 3 of them are Cult. Then, at the last minute, the 3 scum in the group switch to whoever zuma has his vote on. Game, set, and match.
Unvote USC
Vote zuma
I think your plan would be better if Hockey and Pleonast were included in the voters.
Fine by me. I’m still not convinced of the wisdom of keeping him alive, and with the voting so badly spread out, I’m inclined to do what comes natural, and vote for the person I think most likely to be scum. That person, easily, is zuma. Vote zuma.
I think I should be allowed to also have a problem with the plan if it reduces Hockey Monkey’s ability to block. That’s a huge advantage we have right now.
I see it as a 12.5% chance of getting 2 cultists Today vs a 18.75% (.75 * .25) chance of blocking the night action tonight PLUS the 50% chance to get 1 cultist Today. Even given the chance that Hockey Monkey has been recruited, I’m still leaning toward leaving zuma alive (unless I’m wrong in my math in which case please tell me).
Of course you do. It provides you with more cover and puts two of our Power Roles (including one you’re scared to Nightkill) at risk of an Avatar backlash.
Another reason I’m resistant to The Plan is that I’m working 5p-2a tomorrow and won’t be around for the end of the Day to protect against any last minute Cult moves.
Unofficial vote count:
zuma(3) - Pleonast, Pygmy Rugger, Kyrie Eleison
Pygmy Rugger(2) - USCDiver, FCOD
Queuing(2) - NAF1138, Hockey Monkey
Kyrie Eleison(1) - Queuing
USCDiver(1) - zuma
9 out of 12 votes cast. Yet to vote: CatinaSuit, Cookies, MHaye
The reason I chose those two “power roles” is because Hockey may have been recruited, and we still have no idea of Pleo’s true alignment.
I suggested something that would allow us to use the plan, but modify it so that it won’t fail. You haven’t. Do you have a better idea?
Just popping in to unvote Pygmy Rugger and vote zuma.
–FCOD
Alright. Looks like we’re getting enough of a consensus now I’ll join in. I’d like to hear from Hockey Monkey too.
unvote Pygmy Rugger
vote zuma
Unofficial vote count:
zuma(5) - Pleonast, Pygmy Rugger, Kyrie Eleison, FCOD, USCDiver
Queuing(2) - NAF1138, Hockey Monkey
Kyrie Eleison(1) - Queuing
USCDiver(1) - zuma
Sorry for being so quiet; I’ve been out of action most of the day wondering when I can take the next dose of painkillers.
I see the Town is currently swinging towards a plan I can get behind, indeed already have advocated. That and I feel it important for the town to act together means that I shall vote zuma[sub]2[/sub].
The point I’m trying to make is that taking the Avatar out without thinking the situation through could result in the Town losing the game on the spot. The only safe time to execute the Avatar is when he (or, as it may be, she) is when there are no more Cultists.
As for the Prophet, while he must be in the roster of people who read Believer on investigation, I’m sure he’s not Pleonast, while FlyingCowofDoom is low on my list of suspected characters.
Pleonast has an uncontested roleclaim, and it’s Pleo’s own assertion (in a post late on Day 5) that he is the sole secret role that makes his claim vulnerable to counterclaiming. If there were another secret role then that player could claim and point to Pleos own words that they can’t both hold secret roles. Since Pleo didn’t need to make that assertion, it makes me think he’s not a Cultist making a false claim.
As for FlyingCowofDoom, I’ve been getting a Townie vibe from his actions and the plans he advocates. However you can never be 100% sure of anyone on that basis, hence I refuse to eliminate him as a suspect.
It also makes him a good candidate for the recruitment, if it happened last night (which I believe was part of the Cult’s plan).
By my estimate there are one (or maybe 2) players in the uninvestigated group that ping as Believers.
I have some half-formed suspicions about possible Cultists but want to spend some time rereading Today and my notes before vocalising them.
MHaye part of the Plan is that only the Unknown 6 (me, FCOD, Queueing, NAF1138, Pygmy, and Kyrie) vote for zuma. This helps elimate the possibility of a Power Role getting killed by the Avatar and increases the possibility of a Cultist getting killed by the Avatar.
With the addition of Pleonast in the zuma vote (only he can decide if it is town’s best interest to have him in the Avatar pool) we can guard against a last minute Cult vote switch.
Also note that we are now one vote away from starting the 12-hour countdown.
Your choice where to place your vote or to not vote at all, but just wanted to point those things out.
Thanks. 
Since you’re happy to follow this plan and advise me to withdraw my vote to insure against Sekham’s Revenge then I will do so.
Unvotezuma[sub]2[/sub].
I reserve the right to recast my vote if it looks like things are going sour and that my vote will make a difference.
I think **CatinaSuit’s ** plan is a good one. For the love of Og I want to kill a cultist, and if we lynch **zuma ** today, we will have accomplished that. If it turns out that **zuma ** is the Avatar, we will have a chance of getting another Cultist with his death, or at the very least, learning the alignment of another player. If it turns out that **zuma ** is the Prophet, then we can put **FCOD ** in the definitely confirmed list. I’m not all that worried about keeping zuma around to block, because when we kill him, my chances of blocking (if I correctly choose a cultist) actually go up…I will just have to do some thinking about who to apply it to.
And zuma, thanks for the mental image that you conjured up of me shooting scum protectant out of my breasts. I won’t share it because a vast amount of brain bleach would be needed to eradicate it, and I don’t think we have that much on hand.
I’M NOT SCUM!!!
LOL!
That shtick will never work again.
–FCOD
FCoD? Hold him down, I’ve got some Ghost Touch Duct Tape here…
Just because he’s the only secret role doesn’t mean it’s not a Cult-aligned role. Especially if it’s what he says it is. After 10 night kills, he hasn’t once guessed who he thought the Cultist would target, thus protecting them? I think not!
Why’s that, is she a fellow Cultist?
So the only two unknowns that have not voted for **zuma ** are **Queuing ** and NAF.
I’m going to unvote **Queuing ** and hold my vote in reserve in case there is any cultist hanky-panky with the **zuma ** vote.
It’s improbable that I blocked a Cult action, but it is also improbable that **Pleonast ** has not? :dubious: