Mafia V: The Cult of Sekham

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Well for the 3rd Day I’m going to kick off the Day with Pygmy Rugger. I think there was enough evidence of his Cultiness Yesterday to warrant his dunking Today but I seemd to ruffle some feathers by voting in the first post. I’ll start with a FOS Today, if you want specific examples of cultiness, I’d be glad to provide them.

And I don’t want to get into Meta-gaming, but FCOD’s question during the Night about why Blaster Master is referring to dead vanilla townies as Citizen instead of Believer seems to have raised a few eyebrows including mine. It might be worth a closer look.

FOS Pygmy Rugger

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I assumed Citzen was the role assigned, since that was how **Blaster ** listed them. Since I did not get that role, I don’t know for sure. It seems to me that if **FCOD ** investigated as a believer, but did not know that believers were Citizens, then that would mean he was not assigned that role. Slips in the night are just as valid as slips in the day, and as easy for the Prophet to make as any other player.

VOTE FCOD.

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I quite agree

vote FCoD

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Since I applied so much elbow grease in digging back through the game to post it the first time, I’ll again point everyone towards the observations I made about FCOD during Monkgate:

And I’m not going to dig through it, but pretty much everything he said during Monkgate prior to his about-face in regards to whether he was inclined to believe Idle and zuma is supplimentary reading material for those who might be hesitant to vote for FCOD.

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For what it’s worth, I can confirm that the official role slip does say ‘Citizen’, but I only know that because I had to go back and look at mine when the issue arose during the Night. This can only mean that FCOD is a Citizen who made an honest mistake (in which case there are two vanilla citizens left), or she’s the Prophet who made a grave one.

There’s one other meta-game point I’d like to make. Given my surity that Pygmy Rugger is a cultist it only makes sense that he is a Power Cultist (Prophet or Avatar) for Blaster Master to have allowed the role to go relatively unplayed for so long, even going through two substitutions. I know he has been reluctant to mod-kill this game, but his reluctance seems to have centered around keeping the balance of the game in check (ie sachertorte) and I don’t believe he would have mod-killed the Avatar or Prophet so early in the game.

I’d like to hear from MHaye about last night’s investigation before I make a voting decision.

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More FCOD analysis fodder can be found in 3347 and Idle posts what can certainly be seen as a defense of FCoD in response to my yelling at them both for early votes against Pleonast that did not contain reference or summary of why they suspected him, in 3353.

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Are you people serious? You honestly think my question was a slip?

LOL I don’t even remember what my role PM said. I just noticed that BM listed the dead vanilla townies as “Citizens” and not “Believers”, which is the term I’ve used throughout the game. After looking here I was curious why he chose the term “Citizen”.

Lynch me if you want but we’ll probably lose. I’m just a plain believer.

And I’M A GUY. USCDiver, you suck at genders! :stuck_out_tongue:

–FCOD

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Blinks

Wow, some people have the knives out for FCoD. Since I’ve already wrung all the information I’m going to get out of him, it’s not worth returning.

Farewell CatinaSuit, Disciple of our former Priestess. May Nairu give you the welcome you so richly deserve.

The person I chose to investigate was NAF1138. He was one of three we knew naught about before the night.

NAF has no belief in our beloved Nairu. Whether because of atheism or because another deity has taken Her rightful place, I know not.

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I’m quite comfortable examining NAF’s apparent non-believer status closely under the microscope toDay as well, but as I’ve reviewed above, FCOD’s “innocent” question just adds more fuel to an already glowing ember of suspicion.

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I’m reluctant to jump on the FCOD bandwagon, especially without any of the voters on it waiting to see what MHaye had to say Today!

FOS Hockey
and Vote NAF

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I am unsure that FCOD’s slip is enough to dunk him, but I haven’t reviewed the posts that Cookie provided. I will do so before the real life day tomorrow ends.

While USCDiver makes an interesting point about Pygmy Rugger I think it is only valid if he happens to be the prophet. Whoever the prophet is they knew they were the prophet. The avatar not so much so I see no reason why BM couldn’t have modkilled the person who he was originally going to make the avatar and make another cultist it instead.

Its a damn shame that Catina Suit died without telling us if she had used the power or not. We still have the no-kill nights to contend with, and they cannot be forgotten. The first no-kill night is still more intriguing IMO. There are 4 possibilities:

  1. They just didn’t kill to fuck with us
  2. The priest used his protect all power
  3. The priest blocked the kill
  4. The alchemist blocked the kill.

The first 2 options are just silly IMO, but still possible. The 3rd means fretful blocked the kill and then didn’t self-protect. For the life of me I don’t understand why he would do this. Which leaves us with #4, which also has very small odds of it working. However it, to me, makes the most sense.

I know I am harping on it, I happen to think it is important and I have seen no decent arguments against why we should just ignore this night, and the potential information that we can gain from that. I am just saying thats all :).

My own personal list:

2 USCDiver - I happen to think vanilla citizen pure gut though
5 Hockey Monkey - alchemist, potentially recruited
7 NAF1138 - non-believer
12 Kyrie Eleison - not avatar, I think scum
14 Pleonast - secret role, believer
17 Pygmy Rugger - believer
19 FlyingCowOfDoom - unknown, has been investigated as a believer, potential prophet
21 Queuing - I am a vanilla citizen
24 ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies - Monk, unrecruitable
27 MHaye - apprentice, potentially recruited

So my choices are between NAF, Kyrie, FCOD, MHaye and Hockey.

I drop hockey because the argument for her being recruited means they used their recruitment power very early and I don’t see why they would have done that.

So my choice is between NAF, Kyrie, FCOD and Mhaye. My next thinking is that it would be swell to get the prophet. So that means we get rid of NAF and MHaye. This leaves us with:

FCOD
Kyrie

I am happy going for either. I know that I have tried to go after Kyrie before and convinced none of you :). What can I say? I am persistent…or stupid, you decide.

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Why would I need to wait to see what **Mhaye ** says? His investigations don’t mean much unless he finds the Avatar. His results are not conclusive. **NAF ** could be a Cultist or a non-believer. He’s not the Avatar.

**FCOD ** investigated as a believer, which means he’s a believer or the Prophet. **Blaster ** assigned the believer’s roles as Citizens, and since **FCOD ** did not know this he’s the Prophet.

::: opening can of worms:::

:::looks at her notes from her How To book: **Capybara’s ** Crazy Conspiracies:::

The only other explaination for **FCOD ** not knowing that is he was assigned a role other than Citizen, but not the Prophet. If not the Prophet, then who? A recruited Apprentice. **MHaye ** claims Apprentice. So we lynch **FCOD ** and either way we get a Cultist, and possibly the knowledge of another Cultist.

:::trys to get lid back on worm can:::

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Shakes head sorrowfully

HockeyMonkey, you must know Zymurgy’s Seventh Law of Evolving System Dynamics, surely?

You’ll want this.

Hands her a larger can.

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Or you know, he made a mistake. Just saying that your explanation is not the only other one.

That being said I don’t think its a mistake anyone who was actually assigned the role of citizen would have forgotten that.

The question all of this now raises is:

Since we are maybe going to kill someone based on a slip about the role is it fair game to ask them what their PM actually said? I am assuming all multiple player roles got the same one. I am also assuming that the answer to this question is:

NO, it is not fair game.

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I haven’t read my PM since the day I got it, what, three months ago? The Rules/Roles summary says “Believer/Citizen.” To me, logically, it doesn’t make sense that the vanilla townies would be classified as “Citizens”, since ALL OF THE PLAYERS LIVE IN THE TOWN. Because the Rules/Roles summary listed both as the official classification, I was just curious as to why BM chose to use “Citizen” on his dead players list. If you think there’s more to my “slip-up” than that, you’re really trying too hard.

–FCOD

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Amended possible town population

3 Cult : Prophet, 1 Cultists (inc. 1 Avatar)
2 Non-believers : Alchemist, 1 non-believer
1 Super Secret Squirrel Role: ??Martyr??
4 Town: Apprentice, 1 Monk, 2 vanilla town

Claimed Roles

**Hockey Money ** - Alchemist
**MHaye ** - Apprentice
**Pleonast ** - The Secret Role
**Cookies ** - Monk

Believer (possibly the Prophet)
FlyingCowofDoom

Unknowns:
NAF1138
Queuing
USCDiver
Kyrie Eleison
Pygmy Rugger

Unashamedley copied and updated from CatinaSuit’s post Yesterday.

I am willing to give FCOD a pass Today because I also forgot what my ‘official’ title was until I went back and looked at it today. Honestly, once you’re a vanilla townie, how much more details do you need to know? Also, I’m fairly certain that Pygmy Rugger is the Prophet because of the meta-gaming thing I mentioned earlier. Also look who zuma finally left his meaningless vote on Yesterday… that’s right, Pygmy Rugger. An obvious attempt to try to divert attention away from [del]her[/del] him.

Now, for the important business… who left playing is a girl? I know Cookies is and maybe Kyrie. Anyone else?

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[Irony]I had my own similar “to meta-game, or not to meta-game” debate with myself awhile back, long before Zeriel was dead (well, at least a Day or so) regarding the murmurs of some that sachertorte could be the Prophet. It was a fairly compelling argument that the Prophet would not be allowed to just up and go on vacation for two weeks. What if a tie occured? Too many consequences to manage in a fair balance, and BM would’ve subbed in that situation, or declared the game broken.

That is not an angle I chose to raise, even when people were questioning (and still question) my choices as a Monk.[/Irony]

I want to see more from the others voting for FCOD(NAF,Hockey). Last night’s statement is not enough alone to confident vote, imho. What else do you have?

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Farewell Town.

It was a brief but enjoyable sojourn…

<the body fades away leaving nothing but it’s heavenly smile>

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FTR, Cookies and Hockey are the only remaining females.

…I wonder how the town will repopulate?

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Or to frame me. Who knows what the hell zuma was trying to do yesterday.