[QUOTE=FlyingCowOfDoom]
Please consider all of the pro-town actions I’ve taken, like asking the Monks to claim and ratting out Pygmy Rugger.
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Nice. You know, the last time you asked us to consider the latter, you responded by voting for me when I did as you asked and tried to discuss it with everyone else.
I really hope you’re scum, because if it’s Queuing/USCDiver, it’s over.
Well, I’m going to go ahead and vote for FlyingCowOfDoom as my second choice.
[QUOTE=Kyrie Eleison]
On Day 5, for example, Queuing went from stating that Zeriel was most likely town, to voting for him in the span of a few posts.
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I don’t remember this at all, so I can’t defend myself at all about this. Some clarification, or you know some active links, would have been nice
[QUOTE=Kyrie Eleison]
Early in the game, he was a proponent of the “shout out the name of the Oracle” scheme that was supposed to allow the Oracle to identify the Apprentice, but later, he was adamantly opposed to telling power roles what they should do, and claimed to have always been opposed to directing the actions of power roles.
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True I was a proponent of the 2nd plan, that to be honest I don’t even remember now. Then sachertorte pointed out a rather fatal flaw in the plan, I said “oh, good point, never mind”. Shortly after that Storyteller came out very strongly against discussion of the power roles, and made some very good points about why it was a very stupid strategy. He convinced me, and except for Day 1, I have been very vocal about not talking about the power roles.
On Day 1 your role was very high up on the list of potential scum, but has since been ignored. You tried to get us to ignore that Day 1 fact, so I find it odd that you are using Day 1 against me.
[QUOTE=Kyrie Eleison]
Contradicting this is my suspicion that he was recruited on Night 6. If that night was a recruit, only two recruitable players had claimed: Hockey and Queuing. And it seems that I’m still the only one who gives credit to his claim of a specific role at that time, one which he hasn’t countered since. If the recruit happened that night, Hockey was the obvious choice, but we know she wasn’t recruited. I doubt the cult would have gone with such an obvious choice. But it’s possible that no recruit happened at all that night.
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Most people wouldn’t consider my saying that I was a vanilla believer as a claim. You seem to. You also seem to want me to say I am a vanilla believer again. So be it, I say it again. I am just a vanilla citizen.
[QUOTE=Kyrie Eleison]
But if he was recruited on Night 6, the things I find scummy before then have to be discounted.
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I wasn’t. However on Night 6 we know that you were used by our miller. It was you she chose to block. Lo and behold we have no action that night.
[QUOTE=Kyrie Eleison]
On a more personal level, he twice made a demonstrably factually incorrect claim regarding me to justify voting for me, one which he promised to review. I’ve seen nothing posted since that would indicate that he’s retracted his claim, but he’s also not specifically renewed it.
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True. I don’t retract my claim, but you have asked for proof. I have not had time to go through all of your posts to find the proof you asked for. Therefore I can no longer accuse you of it. Odd that you find this scummy.
[QUOTE=Kyrie Eleison]
Finally, first thing today, he expressed that the night-kill of MHaye was not surprising. I think it should have been surprising, as Cookies would seem to have been a more logical choice. The cult had to have had some reason to pick an ambiguous MHaye over a confirmed Cookies, and I can’t help but read Queuing’s “not surprising” comment as a subtle attempt to deter discussion of what the reason might have been.
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Except the cult KNEW that they did not recruit Mhaye. Therefore his investigative powers was much more dangerous to them then the known status of cookies. Hell if they had killed cookies last night the chances of us lynching Mhaye toDay would have been very slim anyway. We still have another target for sure, why would kill the person who could help us sort this whole thing out?
I find it VERY SUSPICIOUS that both you and USC Diver are trying to turn what is a rather obvious point to me against me.
One of you answer me this:
The Scum KNOW who they recruited. The scum KNOW they didn’t recruit Mhaye. So armed with this knowledge who is more dangerous to the SCUM? An investigative role or a known true believer?
The answer to this should be obvious.
I reiterate my vote and ask you all to think quite hard on this last point and the moves of both USC and Kyrie in regards to the death last night.
Yeah, it’s over.
For some reason, I missed this post:
I did, in fact misunderstand the intent of your post. My mistake was allowing the suspicion I already had for you to push me into trying to find something scummy in your post. You are still my number one candidate for scum, but I would not vote for you solely based on your post “defending” me after reading the post I quoted above. The reasoning that I posted was flawed, because you were not defending me unconditionally.
I doubt I’ll be able to convince anyone to switch their votes, but please please please think about how unlikely it would be for me to expose Pygmy Rugger and get two Cultists killed.
And to all of you that still think I “slipped up” about the Citizen/Believer nonsense, you’re still trying WAY TOO HARD. Seriously. I used this post as a reference, and it lists the role as “Citizen/Believer”. I hadn’t looked at the damn PM in over 3 months, and in my head I used the term “Believer” (and so did a lot of other people, according to what they posted). So there :
Well, I have nothing else to say. I’m not going to pull an Idle Thoughts and start yelling about being innocent, but I can’t say I don’t feel like it.
–FCOD
Queuing just made me realize that if both **USCDiver **and Kyrie Eleison are Cultists, Cookies is the only one that can prevent them from winning. Please, Cookies…do the right thing.
Arg, this is frustrating :(.
–FCOD
Isn’t the deadline long gone?
Ok, I’ll answer and it isn’t as obvious as you seem to think. The TOWN doesn’t know who or if there has been a recruit and MHaye certainly was a possibility. Leaving him in the game and killing Cookies leaves in a player with some doubt and eliminates a player with no doubt. At this point in the game, the helpfulness of the Apprentice’s role is limited. We’ve already discussed this.
Regardless, at this point the Cult can only rely on confusion, doubt and misdirection to lead the Town into lynching a Townie. Leaving MHaye and killing Cookies makes more sense in that situation. So to answer your quesion, I think that a known unrecruitable Believer is more useful to the Town at this point than a potentially recruited and inaccurate Investigator. That’s why I felt that it was ‘surprising’. But I’m not scum and I’m not privvy to their discussions and strategy.
[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]
Isn’t the deadline long gone?
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No, we ended in a tie, so we have until 8:45am to vote for either me or Kyrie.
–FCOD
You want to know what I am uncomfortable about?
That we seem to have gone into 2 camps:
Kyrie/USC and FCOD/Queuing.
Another thing that I don’t get is why 2 of you at least; Kyrie and Cookies, seem sure that USC is a believer. Or is it just his turn of phrase making it seem that way?
Regardless I suppose it comes down to me or Kyrie.
Voting for Kyrie
FCOD
Queuing
Voting for Queuing
Cookies
Kyrie
I am assuming that USC will switch his vote to me, so yes, it is only cookies who can save this game for the believers. Or it might not matter as the possibility does exist Kyrie is a believer too.
ON PREVIEW: What USC? As the scum you would have left an investigative role, a role that 100% accurate or nothing alive? All it takes is one more person being confirmed town and the believers would win. There is about 0% chance that we would have actually killed mhaye toDay. Sorry but what you are saying is simply incorrect. The confusion gained by leaving a somewhat unknown quantity alive who may have found a scum and who could find one every night when they KNOW that makes no sense.
[QUOTE=USCDiver]
inaccurate Investigator.
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Is where your thoughts break down — he is not longer inaccurate.
Uhh, Queuing…the vote count is as follows:
Kyrie Eleison (2) - Queuing, FlyingCowOfDoom
FlyingCowOfDoom (3) - Kyrie Eleison, ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, USCDiver
It’s either me or Kyrie. You’re not in danger.
–FCOD
About the the PR/NAF-dunking slip up…
Any of us could have seen that post prior to it being edited. FCod saw it. If he was scum, he would have known that any one else could’ve also seen it. So he could’ve either sat back and let whatever fall-out happen, or he could’ve tried to gain some trust by “outing” his compatriots.
I just don’t see it as a clear-cut case of it absolving him.
[QUOTE=FlyingCowOfDoom]
Uhh, Queuing…the vote count is as follows:
Kyrie Eleison (2) - Queuing, FlyingCowOfDoom
FlyingCowOfDoom (3) - Kyrie Eleison, ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, USCDiver
It’s either me or Kyrie. You’re not in danger.
–FCOD
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Oh, oops, sorry about that. I lost track of the votes, I thought more had voted for me. My bad.
[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]
I just don’t see it as a clear-cut case of it absolving him.
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FTR, I don’t see it as absolving him completely either. I do think it weighs the scales down more on the side of believer then cult however. I also think his question re: citizen/believer was also potentially innocent and not good enough to lynch him on, particularly in comparison to his outing of the PR mistake. As well he posted that he saw it 5 minutes after the posted time on the PR post. That seems really quick to make such an important and game changing decision.
The deadline is at 5:45am my time, and I reallllly don’t want to get up that damn early. I’m going to go through and read some more.
FTR, USCDiver is not “virtually town” in my eyes None of you are.
[QUOTE=Queuing]
Is where your thoughts break down — he is not longer inaccurate.
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I think i didn’t do a good job of communicating my thoughts. A better word would be ‘imprecise’ meaning that he could only tell us Believer vs Non-believer. Since we’re still dealing with the Prophet and a possible non-believer it doesn’t help as much.
[QUOTE=USCDiver]
a possible non-believer it doesn’t help as much.
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Maybe, sure. However I wouldn’t risk the game on a possibility such as this. Don’t know why the scum would either.
Ok, I’m getting up early. I’m done with re-reading for the night.
For better or worse, my vote stands on FCoD. Back to bed…
I like top dog.