I’m still looking.
It means I think Kyrie is original scum. Since we only have 1 original scum left, then yes the prophet.
Oh crap, not edited to add:
When does toDay end?
Oh, crap, I’m glad you asked that. Blaster’s signature still reflects the closing time of Day 12, and I was operating under the assumption that the day ended at 1:30 PM, Monday. It doesn’t – it ends tonight at 8:45 PM.
Vote FCoD
Working in somewhat reverse chronological order…
The two players at the top of my list, FCoD & Queuing are both voting for Kyrie. I have much less of a tangible case against Queuing in comparison at this point, but my gut seems to be reenforced by their vote block.
Further, I find FCod’s justification with his vote for Kyrie to be odd. Voting for player that you suspect because you think he/she was overly defensive of you just doesn’t feel like solid reasoning in the endgame. I don’t think a scummy Kyrie would make such a play at manipulation at this point in the game, and I’m not buying FCoD’s attempt at taking him down for it.
And finally, I’ve whiddled my rather long and nasty list of “interesting” FCoD posts to the below short burst, surrounding his question about BM’s use of “Citizen”. These were not included in my previous cases against FCod, but the more I re-read the game, the more I feel they should be drug out into the harsh light of day.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8925922#post8925922
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8927793#post8927793
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8928885#post8928885
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8930265#post8930265
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8930760#post8930760
At the time, there was so much else going on that I didn’t find the potential slip to be overy incriminating, and USCDiver seemed to feel the same way at that point in time, but things change. Have they possibly changed for you as well, USCDiver?
I also think that the whole situation with the Avatar that came shortly thereafter distracted everyone from really examining the potential slip and FCod as much as we all would have without the Avatar situation.
I have to apologize; I’ve screwed up rather badly. I planned on having the entire weekend available to review and to decide, with plenty of time remaining on Sunday and Monday to consider and discuss, only to belatedly discover that the day ends tonight at 8:45.
My position is relatively simple. Cookies is confirmed, and there are one or two scum left, with the safe assumption being two. It’s a matter of deciding which of Queuing, FCoD, and USCDiver is least likely to be a cultist, and, having eliminated that person, deciding which of the two remaining is most likely to be a cultist and casting a vote for that person, moving to the second most likely if practicality requires that I do so.
I’ve been looking most closely at Queuing, and I’m still suspicious. But some of my suspicions are contradictory. On Day 5, for example, Queuing went from stating that Zeriel was most likely town, to voting for him in the span of a few posts. Early in the game, he was a proponent of the “shout out the name of the Oracle” scheme that was supposed to allow the Oracle to identify the Apprentice, but later, he was adamantly opposed to telling power roles what they should do, and claimed to have always been opposed to directing the actions of power roles.
Contradicting this is my suspicion that he was recruited on Night 6. If that night was a recruit, only two recruitable players had claimed: Hockey and Queuing. And it seems that I’m still the only one who gives credit to his claim of a specific role at that time, one which he hasn’t countered since. If the recruit happened that night, Hockey was the obvious choice, but we know she wasn’t recruited. I doubt the cult would have gone with such an obvious choice. But it’s possible that no recruit happened at all that night.
But if he was recruited on Night 6, the things I find scummy before then have to be discounted.
On a more personal level, he twice made a demonstrably factually incorrect claim regarding me to justify voting for me, one which he promised to review. I’ve seen nothing posted since that would indicate that he’s retracted his claim, but he’s also not specifically renewed it.
Finally, first thing today, he expressed that the night-kill of MHaye was not surprising. I think it should have been surprising, as Cookies would seem to have been a more logical choice. The cult had to have had some reason to pick an ambiguous MHaye over a confirmed Cookies, and I can’t help but read Queuing’s “not surprising” comment as a subtle attempt to deter discussion of what the reason might have been.
On the other hand, I did find FCoD’s “citizen slip” somewhat questionable, until he pointed out the Pygmy/NAF slip. On the balance, I thought that the significance of the latter outweighed that of the former. But, upon attempting to discuss the significance of the affair, I found him voting for me for “defending” him, despite the fact that he, himself, asked that we consider it in his favor. If he’s willing to argue that I should have dismissed its significance and not brought it up, I’m willing to dismiss it.
Doing so leaves me at this point with a suspect list in the following order: Queuing, FCoD, USCDiver, Cookies. I would prefer to vote for Queuing, but as a practical matter, with Cookies already voting for FCoD, I’m willing to settle for my second choice.
Back to the apology portion of this post. In just a few minutes, I have to go out for about 3 hours this afternoon. I had really planned to spend a lot of time tomorrow reviewing and on not voting until then, but now I have to squeeze things into today. I’m going to go on record with a vote FCoD for now, but when I return home around 4:30 PM EDT, I will review further.
I’m also heading out for a few hours.
If more of a case against Queuing builds, I would consider switching my vote.
Be back later.
My original thoughts heading in to Today were that Kyrie was the Prophet and Queueing was a Convert. But Queuing voting for Kyrie in that scenario makes no sense because it would basically confirm that FCOD is NOT the Prophet. That still leaves open the possibility that Queueing is the Prophet and FCOD or Kyrie is a Convert.
I’m not sure what advantage Queuing would get in voting for another Cultist (even the Convert) at this point unless he plans to focus on me or FCOD tomorrow as the Prophet.
There is some compelling evidence that Kyrie is not one of the original Cultists/Prophet. He had an end of Day vote on Kat in BOTH Day 1 and Day 2. This would be incredibly foolish for the Prophet (it was risky enough for NAF1138 and Idle Thoughts).
I see now that both Kyrie and Cookies have voted for FCOD. I would honestly prefer to go after Queueing first. If you both are amenable to switching votes let’s do so.
vote Queuing
Unofficial Vote count:
Kyrie Eleison (2) - Queuing, FlyingCowOfDoom
FlyingCowOfDoom (2) - Kyrie Eleison, ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies
Queuing (1) - USCDiver
Queuing remains my first choice as well. If Cookies switches, I will do so also.
Go ahead and switch, if it ends as a tie, we get a 12 hour extension and Cookies chooses between Kyrie and Queuing. There’s no reason not to vote for your first choice at this point.
Yeah, I could get behind a Queuing dunk. Unvote Kyrie Eleison, vote Queuing.
–FCOD
Unofficial Vote count:
FlyingCowOfDoom (2) - Kyrie Eleison, ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies
Queuing (2) - USCDiver, FlyingCowOfDoom
Kyrie Eleison (2) - Queuing
EBWOP: Obviously Kyrie has only one vote.
My vote is standing, for now.
Great, now my second choice is voting for my first choice, and I’m pretty sure that at least one of them is a cultist. I’m inclined to send this into overtime while we sort it out.
USCDiver suggested that I ought to switch my vote to Queuing without waiting to see if Cookies was willing to do the same, but while I was considering that, FCoD switched his vote. Frankly, USC, I’m more certain that Cookies vote was honestly cast than yours, and I wasn’t inclined to lock her into a choice between myself and Queuing, and thus excluding FCoD, without hearing from her first.
I’ve been reviewing scum posts, without obtaining much insight, but I do find this worth mentioning: On Day 8, NAF1138, in post 2885:, created a “list of three”:
Two of the three are now confirmed. The supposed rule is that any list of three suspects created by scum will contain one scum. I’m not sure I buy it as a general rule, but I did notice it, so I though I would point it out for consideration. I think it’s weak, but there it is, nonetheless.
Well, I’m content with the voting as it is now because it will end up forcing Queuing to vote for FCOD (or himself, natch) after the 12 hour extension.
I realize that what I’m about to do may seem scummy, but it really is in the best interest of the Town. If I leave my vote where it is, I will be dunked. Queuing will be forced to choose between me and himself (as USCDiver pointed out), and I don’t think that will be a difficult decision for him.
Since I know I’m Town and I suspect we’re in a LyLo situation, I have to do everything I can to try to prolong my life, so…
Unvote Queuing
Vote Kyrie Eleison
Please consider all of the pro-town actions I’ve taken, like asking the Monks to claim and ratting out Pygmy Rugger.
–FCOD
Unofficial Vote count:
Kyrie Eleison (2) - Queuing, FlyingCowOfDoom
FlyingCowOfDoom (2) - Kyrie Eleison, ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies
Queuing (1) - USCDiver
If I understand the voting rules, we’re now in a 12 hour countdown during which we must all vote for either Kyrie or FCOD.
Or nobody. But that would be dumb.
–FCOD