Crazy day at work. Have only read enough to say OUCH to storyteller and Diggit. We lost the Crusader and a monk on the same night? Sorry gotta run.
Well, my suspicions from yesterDay are still pretty much the same. I do think **Pleonast **is even more scummy than he was before, now that I see that AZTeach/Kat was a cultist. The **mtgman **lynch happened pretty quickly and **Pleonast **was one of the players that voted to swing the vote from AZTeach/Kat to mtgman. Adding that to my previously existing suspicion of him, I’m pretty comfortable with voting Pleonast.
–FCOD
Ok,I am here.
Gonna spend my read through time today focusing on one person.I am way behind and will try to get something up today with substance.During my absence I thought often of a post made early in Day1 and was gonna focus on that player when I got back(assuming I was still in the game),but that player has been killed,so off to plan B.I gotta lot to read so be patient.
Ok, vacation over, time to get back to work.
Which means, of course, back to the game…woohoo! I’ve got about three pages or so to sift through (Yay for burning Kat! Boo for losing storyteller and Diggit), so I’ll be back a little later with my own feelings of what’s what.
Not a whole lot more since yesterday, but I suppose (hope) everyone is re-reading the past few days. This is what I’ve been up to. I did a similar Day One Day Two vote analysis as Hockey Monkey. I would like to add my observations.
Mtgman received five votes after posting he was done for the Day
In Post #857, **Mtgman **states, “Ok, I’m off this roller coaster. My Day 2 vote is decided. See you all next week, have a good weekend.”
In the previous post (856), about 20 minutes earlier Hal Briston votes Mtgman. Presumably, Mtgman saw this vote an left the game for the Day knowing the vote count was ArizonaTeach(4), Mtgman(3), as well as **sachertorte **and **Kyrie Eleison **at (3).
After Mtgman stated he was no longer reading the thread, five people voted Mtgman:
DiggitCamara
Zeriel
Pleonast
MHaye
Hockey Monkey.
People voting for both Mtgman and Malacandra:
Hal Briston
Pleonast
I put this here for the record. At this time I don’t think we can draw conclusions from this fact because we don’t know the alignment of Malacandra (although I agree recent events point ‘town’), and a townie is just as likely (if not more so) to vote ‘wrong’ by accident as scum would be to bandwagon/save an ally.
NAF voted for ArizonaTeach Day One, but did not vote ArizonaTeach/Kat Day Two:
NAF explains his reasoning for this change of heart as not wanting to put a replacement on the spot the first day. With **Kat **being scum, I felt this required additional scrutiny.
NAF establishes precedent for this point of view with ClockworkJackal/Kyrie Eleison long before ArizonaTeach withdraws. NAF unvotes CJ in post 394, and maintains a consistent view of ‘giving replacements a day’ before voting for them. (My conclusion, NAF’s statements hold for now; revisit if/when Kyrie turns up dead).
More on NAF:
In looking at NAF’s past I also reviewed his discussion with **Zeriel **regarding ‘lurkers’ / ‘invisible’ players.
NAF calls out ‘invisible’ players in post 512.
Zeriel takes umbrage with being included on NAF’s list in post 522.
Zeriel also takes the time to compare NAF’s list to actual post counts (as counted by SDMB) in post 565:
Unfortunately for NAF, **ArizonaTeach **is on the list of low post counts that NAF neglected to mention.
In post 585 NAF votes for ArizonaTeach along with the statement,
I have two issues with NAF’s statement accompanying his vote for ArizonaTeach:
- **ArizonaTeach **was not on NAF’s list. ArizonaTeach was on Zeriel’s list of people NAF neglected to include on his list.
- How can NAF be so sure that ArizonaTeach will show us that he’s not crazy? Perhaps NAF knew ArizonaTeach was scum.
FOS NAF
Additional note of interest, but irrelevant at this point:
Earlier in the game Hal Briston (I think) mentioned “bringing up the 3rd vote as a scum tell” as a scum tell itself, which he said held true in M4 (I think, I’m not searching for this one).
Just to note for historical reasons, **ArizonaTeach **brings up the 3rd vote “rule” in post 807.
Who are the noob players in this game?
I too feel vaguely suspicious of fluiddruid, but that’s partly on account of my narrow escape (the last 24 hours of yesterDay it felt like anything I said or did was going to get me killed) and the fact that fluid seemed to have it in for me. Really it needs something more than vague suspicions though, and that’s just what I can’t manage right now - I can’t comb through this monster thread at the moment and shan’t have any free time this evening either. I’m glad to have provided a focus for discussions in the first couple of Days though; it’s netted us a Cultist already. 
[QUOTE=sachertorte]
I have two issues with NAF’s statement accompanying his vote for ArizonaTeach:
- **ArizonaTeach **was not on NAF’s list. ArizonaTeach was on Zeriel’s list of people NAF neglected to include on his list.
- How can NAF be so sure that ArizonaTeach will show us that he’s not crazy? Perhaps NAF knew ArizonaTeach was scum.
FOS NAF
[QUOTE]
Quick question, can I get a post number or something on the “you thought I was crazy comment.” I don’t remember saying it (I believe I did, but I don’t remember it) so I don’t remember the context.
Hal was trying to cover his scum tracks in M4,he pointed out that I had cast the dreaded 3rd vote against him in M4 and that I was scummy.I said “bringing up the 3rd vote scum tell is scummy”.I don’t know if it is a legit tell to bring it up or not,(I would guess not) but in that game I knew Hal was scum already and anything Hal said was a scum tell.
I haven’t gotten to the part you are referencing,but I am anxious to get there and see what **Hal ** is up to.
Gah! I am never gonna get through this at this rate.
Still no internet at home, and work has been unforgiving this week.
And town will vote and unvote when they change their mind or have errors in their analysis or reading comprehension pointed out to them, such that they can make a better decision.
Laying suspicion on both sides of votes/unvotes like this, at this stage of the game, carries a bit too much risk of false-positives for my comfort level, but then again I am a more conservative player.
I believe I had something to do with this 3rd tell thing. I mentioned it here in post 1141 and used it as part of my justification for voting for Hal Briston. Hal doesn’t like it here in post 1144 . Hal and I go back and forth a couple more times, here 1150 1186 here 1189 mentioned last here
I’m a newbie, but I hope I’m not a noob!
Things have quieted down a bit.
I think I have a notion why sachertorte and perhaps others may get the impression that I talk less than I do. I’m not doing the hardest analysis at all, but also there is the timezone issue.
I’m on CET. That means I’m posting this and about to go home at about 17:30 my time. My previous post in this same page (1421) shows me a posting time of 11:35am - that’s 5:35am in the East Coast, 2:35 if I’m not mistaken on the West. So in the majority of my “playtime” (yes, I mostly Dope from work) many of your are asleep… then I go to do those things people do when not at the Dope and oop-la! Three pages of posts! Makes it hard to have coherent conversations, sorry I try, though.
When I get home I’ll post what is it I was doing on Day Two, as requested.
Those who ended Day Two without a final vote cast: Malacandra, MonkeyMensch, ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, MadTheSwine.
MM and MTS have been rather noticeably absent, which somewhat explains why they did not vote. MTS seems to be back now.
Cookies did cast a vote, but later unvoted, and has explained that networking difficulties prevented her from returning before day’s end.
However, Malacandra, to my knowledge, has not offered any reason why he was not able to or elected not to vote. Mal, your Day One vote seemed to get you in a bit of trouble. Would you care to explain why you didn’t vote the next day?
Agree with you on Zeriel, since he had a pivotal vote in Day 1’s lynching and his second-day vote (for fluiddruid, who had no other votes at the time) seems like a distancing measure. I’m not convinced about sachertorte, for reasons I’ve already outlined, but Zeriel seems to have the right persona for a Cultist – a middle-of-the-pack player who posts enough to get noticed, but doesn’t get controversial or confrontational. ('Course, you could probably lynch ME on that kind of evidence, so I’m not convinced enough to cast a vote yet.)
If it’s all the same to you,I prefer to be called Mad or some variation, other than an abbreviation. Mad has three letters just like mts,so you ain’t wasting any keystrokes. Thanks for your consideration in this matter.
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I’m not sure what the non believer/scum ambiguity has to do with detecting the convert, as conversion is not detectable by the Oracle/Apprentice. From the rules:
So both the Prophet and conversion are undetectable.
To answer MadTheSwine, this is my first game on the dope, my third on messageboards, and I play the meatspace version of it all the time.
To answer Fretful Porpentine, maybe I should have fought with NAF1138 more? =P
Speaking of that,
In response to sachertorte, damn, nice catch. Not enough for a FOS on NAF, but enough that I’m not really rescinding my ongoing suspicion of him. Funny, I was so fixated on the idea that NAF being outed as scum might make the list a valuable scumfinder that I never even considered that scum on the list might make NAF look more suspicious.
So then do you have the context for the original quote? Because I still haven’t found it. Little help here?
(yes I know I am being lazy, but your help is appreciated)
Sure, sorry if you expressed this before, and I missed it.
BTW, regarding your “noob” question – I’ve played the first two days of two games. I don’t know what class that puts me in.
Sure. Once I was well and truly under the spotlight - which is how I spent most of Day Two - it was looking like any vote I made would be seen just as a scummy attempt not to get dunked, and invite the uncommitted to vote against me. That’s not a nice position to be caught in when the final hours are ticking away and my chief rival for the wet seat is tipping the vote against me, but I saw nothing better than to sit still. Similarly, most of the votes I felt I could meaningfully make would have looked like OMGUS votes and, again, got me the big cold bath.
As I said earlier, to fluiddruid IIRC, I can well understand that it is good strategy for a vanilla townie to accept a lynching in a good cause - at least in the knowledge that there are worse outcomes, like a pro-town role getting wasted - but it didn’t look like there was even that much justification for my sitting on the big seesaw, so I didn’t want to take any action that looked like making such an outcome more likely.