Oh, Christ, this is bad. : / R.I.P Hal, let’s hope you left something (or thingS preferribly) to work with.
Time to start going through his posts and checking for every mention for good or bad. Unfortunatly I have to wait until tomorrow to start. I’m sure others will be doing the same, but I’d suggest we all do it ourselves and not be dependant on others because in original readings things might jump out at some that might not jump out at others.
Well here is a quick look at Hal Briston:
post 1587 Here is a vote Mad the Swine.
post 1612 he talks about the argument cookies had made against hockey monkey. He mentions forgetting FOSing hockey monkey. This makes me think he never investigated hockey monkey, as why would he FOS? And is he had and she came up non-believer he wouldn’t have forgotten that.
post 1626 mentions Mad again, and how he feels stronger now about voting for him.
post 1144 here he FOSes me for “On the flip side, I find Queuing’s shotgun approach to casting suspicion to be a bit scummy in itself. Four FOS’s and a vote in two sentences? It all seems like a very convenient way for scum to keep everyone’s eyes on as many targets as possible. Not nearly enough for a vote, but certainly enough to FOS Queuing.”
So it looks like he didn’t investigate me either, as I know I am town. Of course you guys don’t, but I suppose that is a risk I must run now.
here he mentions pleonast talking about it being a nice catch. Nothing much to indicate if he investigated him or not.
post 1460 mentions zeriel who had called him about his voting for malacandra.
post 1504 talks about trusting sachertorte.
Votes:
day 1 voted for CJ/Kyrie, zuma. Means nothing though as he had no special information yet.
day 2 he voted for malacandra, and only malacandra.
day 3 hal voted for mad.
So what does this mean to me? It seems, by what he left and how he voted there are 3 people who we should look at:
MadtheSwine
Malacandra
Queuing
Well I know I am town, so to me this list is 50/50, so what the hell?
vote mad the swine
I was also looking over his posts. This is pure speculation, but I thought that maybe he might have investigated Malacandra the 2nd night, and then discovered that he wasn’t scum. It would make sense, seeing as he voted for Mal but was unable to verify before Nightfall (since Mal didn’t get dunked).
I have my own suspicions of MadTheSwine that I’ve already voiced, but I’ll post more on them later when I get a chance to review his posts again.
Holy smokes. I’m flabbergasted. **Queuing’s ** summary makes sense, but I need to go read again and see **Hal ** had to say about all three of them - Queuing, Mal, and Mad. Off the top of my head, all I can remember weird about any of them is **Mad’s ** absence and then the swoop-and-vote yesterDay. Off to bed now, and reading tomorrow.
Crap. I’ve been reading over Hal’s posts as others have, and I’ll offer my two cents. The following is an attempt to try to determine who Hal investigated night one and night two, and any possible breadcrumbs he left.
DAY 1:
730FOS: Hockey Monkey, believing HM was trying to get info on the secret role.
856: This is an interesting post, happening late in day 1.
If nothing else, I doubt Hal investigated Idle Thoughts, Kyrie, zuma 1.0, auto, or AZ. Since his vote was on Mgtman, I’m not sure who he would have investigated.
DAY 2
1005: His “nice catch Pleonast” post re Malacandra
1144: FOS: Queuing based on Queuing’s “shotgun approach to casting suspicion”.
1189:
I don’t think Queuing was investigated night 1, and I think neither of these are breadcrumbs.
1192 Hal announces he’s leaving for a few days
1267: Votes Malacandra in his last post of Day 2
DAY 3
1504: Kat’s FOS list had sachertorte 3rd, Hal says this gives Sachertorte increased credibility.
1587: Votes MadTheSwine
1612 Starts looking at Hockey Monkey again
1626: Still feels stronger about a MadTheSwine vote, vote remains.
1645: Now thinks Hockey Monkey is town.
On my initial read, no obvious breadcrumbs stick out. I would think he’d investigate Malacandra on night 2, and he seemed to have dropped Mal as a suspect by day 3, but again, didn’t seem to leave any breadcrumbs indicating it. Still, this might be a small point in Malacandra’s favor.
His wavering on his MadTheSwine vote would seem to indicate that the vote was not based on a guilty investigation. This of course does not clear MadTheSwine in any way or count as a point in his favor, just that I don’t think Hal’s vote was based on a MadTheSwine investigation.
Hopefully someone can catch something I haven’t…
Ker-rap. What’s the betting our Oracle was investigating our putative Alchemist last Night? We could have done with him living long enough to drop a breadcrumb or two about that. Play up, Apprentice. 
Meanwhile, Queuing’s reasoning sounds good to me - we may as well take advantage of what the Oracle was able to leave us. If anyone’s got a stronger case then I’m amenable to persuasion - I guess the supposed breadcrumbs won’t run away - but I’ll open my account for toDay with a vote for Mad the Swine.
vote for Mad the Swine.
The Oracle!?
Crusader down, Oracle down, one Monk down, one semi-Scum down, two Vanillas down… ouch
Thanks Queuing and 2.zuma for the recaps; will still go through Hal’s posts myself though.
Well, at least Post #301 proved not to be a scum tell after all.
See you on the other side!
I was planning to come on and vote for MadTheSwine after his flippant 11th hour vote. Hockey Monkey, still have my eye on you, but there are better fish to fry this go round.
vote MadTheSwine
Sorry to see you go Hal. It really was too soon for an Oracle roleclaim; just bad luck.
Day Four later, right now I need to address something from day three that ticked me off. While game related, this tirade is largely unimportant.
In post 1660 **MHaye **expresses his belief that I have ignored his “case against” me. I have several issues with this:
So that brings me to MHaye’s “case” against me: post 1261 which I looked up myself.
You want a response to this? Seriously?
Finally when MHaye does vote for me at the end of Day 2, he’s not exactly calling for my head on a pole: post 1263
(bolding mine)
And you’re surprised I didn’t put you at the top of my Day 3 To Do list?
I think it’s pretty crappy to call me unresponsive to posts that occur minutes before I’m not allowed to post anymore.
MHaye, how about accusing someone earlier in the Day?
Shit shitty shit shit!
Well, if our Oracle felt strongly enough to vote for Captain Pig, who am I to disagree?
Vote MadTheSwine.
–FCOD
I didn’t mention it at the time because the player was AZ Teach, a confirmed Cultist.The post in question was this one:
For those of you that have played with AZ before,you should notice that this post is way out of character for AZ,I have never seen him all that worried about “backing one horse or another”. He is an aggressive player.
When this post was made, I knew something was rotten and that story was probably town because AZ was trying to add fuel to the fire in story’s and my little spat.
If you look at that post “knowing” , as Az did, that neither story or yours truly are in the cult,makes sense doncha think?
Unfortunately, I had to go away before I got to post this,when I got back they were both dead.
I would hope that the Oracle did not waste an investigation on Hockey Monkey to verify her Alchemist claim. The Alchemist investigates simply as ‘non believer’, which doesn’t actually verify it. However, the Alchemist claim is verified very easily, by the absence of a counter claim.
And ‘We could have done with him living long enough to drop a breadcrumb or two about that’ looks to me like you are trying to cast doubt on the claim.
Well, frankly, if I’m right and Hockey Monkey is scum, a counter-claim or lack thereof plays into their hand either way; either Hockey Monkey gets to claim power status, or the Mafia gets a known power role to off the next night. If the Alchemist wants to save their neck, they won’t counter-claim just yet.
No, sheer inattention to the rules on my part. Besides, who *wouldn’t * want the Oracle to investigate claims? Counterclaims are all very well, but they cost lives.
And are you seriously trying to make me look scummy based on speculation on my part on what the Oracle might have been up to on the night he died? :rolleyes:
If there is a counter claim then one of them is scum. Getting one scum in exchange for the Alchemist looks like a good deal. And the Alchemist is a very weak power role, more likely to do harm than good (which is probably why she has claimed not to have blocked anyone yet). The Alchemist’s best value is in their status as a confirmed townie. If the claim is false then I would expect the real Alchemist to counterclaim, which is what we would also expect from a false Monk claim.
The thing is here,that I was away again.I returned Sunday morning and had just enough time to come in read a few pages and vote.
I considered the ramifications of not voting,voting for Scuba and having him be scum,voting for **Scuba ** and have him not be scum.I knew anything I did at that point was gonna look bad.I couldn’t really go two days without casting a vote,so I had to do something.
I expected the Cult was gonna kill either Hazelnut or Hal last Night(if neither was cult themselves) cause they knew even more suspicion would fall on me and they get a 2 for 1 kill.On the surface it looks even worse for me as Hal was the oracle,but I think if we go back over Hal’s posts, we will see that I was not investigated or was investigated and found to be innocent. I will do it myself as well,but if some of you want to do it (and keep an open mind) as to who **Hal ** really investigated it should be clear.
Fact o’ business,I bet he did investigate me and find me innocent and the breadcrumbs should be there…he couldn’t do a 180 all the sudden after investigating me and say I was a good guy,but I wager the crumbs are there.
I haven’t re-read Hal Briston’s posts for Day 2 and Day 3 yet. I don’t know when I’ll have time, but I have a few thoughts I wanted to share first.
Hal had 2 investigations: Ignoring the 100% accuracy of an Avatar read and ignoring the identity of Believer power-roles (for now), there are three cases to consider:
Now let’s say Hal investigated a Believer. The only type of Believer he would be compelled to breadcrumb is a vanilla believer. For example, suppose Hal investigated storyteller. Would Hal breadcrumb this? Hal would know storyteller was a Monk and therefore wouldn’t need to be breadcrumbed. In fact, doing so would be risky to both Hal and storyteller. In essence, what I’m saying is that Believer power roles don’t need to be breadcrumbed since a roleclaim can prevent a dunking, so it’s very possible that Hal left no breadcrumbs at all.
Now what if Hal investigated a non-believer or cultist? Hal wouldn’t know if the person was non-believer or cultist, just that the suspect was not a believer. I’m not sure how Hal would handle this case.
Snipped… not sure what you mean by ‘found to be innocent’. Cultists investigate as Non-believer. Unless you are the Prophet in which case you would investigate as Believer.
vote MadTheSwine