making america great again

Forgive my not knowing, do you live in the USA?

Not a big supporter, but more conservative than most on this board.

First, I believe in being charitable in interpretation of what someone says (even when I disagree).
Second, slogans are short statements that can take paragraphs to fully unpack.

In light of those, I believe MAGA conveys the idea that not all change in America has been good. There should be an effort to go back to better days in those areas.

For example, the breakdown of the family, criminal violence (yes, I know this is on the way down, but the homicide rate in Chicago tripled from 1950 to 1970), government intrusion into the lives of citizens and in the way of small business (his supporters believe less is better), the ability to comfortably support a family on the pay of an average factory, construction, etc job.

While you may or may not agree on some of these being problems or if the government can do anything about it (or if they’re fixable at all), I hope you’d agree that not all progress in the US has been positive.

I grew up in the USA in the 1940s and lived there most of my life, but I do not now. I have defected twice.

There are 613 commandments, Hebrew Mitzvahs, that Jews obey.

It is supposed to be a joke not a serious analysis of the Bible. :wink:

Most Cultural Marxists want the opposite: Revenge, with the White Male rendered docile, obedient, humbled, and broken, a tail between his legs; apologetic; lacking all confidence and any sense of authority.

Huh. Interesting.

Abject nonsense. You’ve definitely swallowed the alt-right white supremacists’ propaganda hook, line, and sinker.

If by “sense of authority” you (any you) mean the right to subjugate other people simply because you’re white and male, then yes I agree with you. That deeply mistaken sense of authority should be crushed and will be crushed. Because the US founding documents demand it. If you (any you) believe in the superiority of the white man you’ve demonstrated you do not respect the ideals the US stands for and are therefore not fit to be an American.

If you, any you, don’t believe in the very first sentence of our very first document, the Declaration of independence, then get the heck out. There are other countries that might take you. You don’t belong here.

I say that as a white man who’s been in a position of legitimate authority in my job and/or my community for decades.

I’m curious what constitutes legitimate authority in you community.

In a job, it’s being in a supervisory position. In a business it’s being in a management or ownership position. In a community, be that a social club, a charitable organization, or a level of government, it’s holding elected or appointed office.

For each of those categories it’s possible for the legitimacy to be destroyed by bad acts. e.g. The guy who bribes his way onto the city planning commission so he can funnel work to his cronies is not an example of exercising legitimate authority even though the position he occupies and the duties it entails themselves have legitimacy.

the year would be 2018. The expectations are an increase of jobs for the long term unemployed, repair of the healthcare system and a reduction of national debt. You know, the same things Obama talked about. Oh, and a reversal of illegal immigration.

Reduction of the national debt? By increasing spending and cutting taxes?

If that’s one of your goals, you elected the wrong guy.

I’m just agreeing withthis guy.

He said that increasing spending and cutting taxes would decrease the debt?

Reagan said the same thing. It first got him re-elected and later got him canonized by his party. That’s pretty much the definition of success for a politician.

Aye, it’s the truth. And G.W. Bush raised taxes, after having pledged his lips not to, because it was necessary to prevent a deficit blow-out…and he got punished for it by not being re-elected.

It’s just sad to realize how many people cannot perform the simplest arithmetic!

To be fair, the sleight of hand is whether “raising taxes” means “raising tax rates” or “raising total tax take”.

Ref Laffer curve - Wikipedia it’s logically possible that rate reductions could, after a lag, grow total tax revenues. And therefore reduce deficits.

The fact it has never worked out that way in practice is scant obstacle to people whose preconceived unshakeable faith is that the USA is a big evil government strangling the small weak economy that could quickly become a vastly larger vastly stronger economy if only government would (mostly) disappear.

For that to work, revenues would have to go up by more than they would have if you’d just left things alone, and enough to service any debt incurred during the lag.

Not to pick on you specifically, LSLGuy, but those things usually get left out of these sorts of discussions.

At this point in time, it’s extremely obvious that we are on the lower limb of the Laffer Curve. Cuts in taxes have not resulted in increases in tax revenues: exactly the opposite.

(However, Dismal Science, and all that. Increases in the Minimum Wage do not result in corresponding job losses, even though traditional economics predicts they should. Simple arithmetic is not always valid in this field…)

Reducing the deficit does involve raising or lowering taxes. It involves budgeting the money that is collected in taxes.