Marriage: husband wants kids, wife doesn't

Not talking about important issues is a different kind of idiocy.

There will ALWAYS be a good reason why now is not the time to have children if you look for one. If you want to be with this woman for the rest of your life, and you both want a family, then I don’t see the difference between having one now three years from now, or whenever.

I’m on the fence about kids. I am single. If I end up with a woman who really wants kids, I’ll try to oblige. If I end up with a woman who doesn’t, that’s fine too. I could be happy either way.

But that’s kind of none of their business? You are into someone or you’re not. It’s not a big deal, come on.

(LOL “what do you want from life” oh free Slurpees from 7-11") LOL - what?

My husband married me even though he knew that I said that I didn’t want kids. He thought that I’d change my mind. However, I never wanted kids, and I never changed my mind. I managed to get pregnant 3 times in 2 years, each time while using birth control. I love my daughter, but if I’d had my druthers, I’d ruther have remained childless. My husband wanted more kids, and I just wouldn’t have sex until I got my tubes tied.

He recently asked me if I regretted not having another child, or several more. I said I STILL didn’t want the one I’ve got. She’s a lovely human being, and I wish that she’d been born to someone else. I did the best I could, but I was never cut out to be a mother.

The other person’s plans/values/goals are definitely someone’s business, whether related to finances, employment, choice of where/whether to settle down, status of relationship, reproduction, etc. Marrying someone who intends in a few years to give up their current nomadic existence for an apartment in Manhattan and a career in banking, and expects you to stay at home and pop out a litter of kids, is rather important information to know ahead of time, regardless of how “into them” you are currently.

I’ve never wanted children. I have also never been able to ignore that the majority of the population either wants children or ends up having them. Not sure what kind of charmed life you’ve been living that you’ve been immune to family/friend/societal queries, but it’s an interesting state of being.

I dunno. I guess no one wants to have kids with me, which is for the greater good, lol.

This is f-in’ bold. Lynn, I think maybe you know me, but even if not, mad props to you.

Then you don’t understand the use of the word default in that context. You don’t get to decide what the default is. The default is what the majority of people do. It can be the default assumption because, most of the time, you will be right.

I’m sure a lot of us here would love it if the default was that people were not ignorant. But just because we personally hate being ignorant doesn’t make everyone else ignorant.

I use the same argument when people freak out when someone assumes someone is heterosexual. It doesn’t mean you have anything against homosexuality, just that you are playing the odds.

One of my grandfathers was in this situation. He was stunned to find out that his wife didn’t want children. This was in the 1920’s, and I strongly suspect it didn’t occur to him to ask her about this topic before they married. He just took it for granted. (Seems to me that she should have brought up the subject, since it was generally expected that you would have children at the time.)

So they divorced, he remarried and had three children with my grandmother. They fostered another child for years, too.

Really…in a lifetime partnership you don’t think that similar goals and values are a portion of success. I was into my first husband, but that wasn’t sufficient to sustain a marriage with a guy who didnt really want to work. You don’t think that maybe discovering that your partners lifelong wish is to adopt fourteen special needs kids and change their lives for the better might be pertinent?

As I said, if you are both in it for a good time, the only information you need is that you are both in in temporarily. But if you are looking for a life partner, it’s never a good idea to be surprised by a hobby farm, a much stronger than average attachment to mom, or children.

I just wanted to give you my sympathies and tell you I hope this works out for you. Best of luck.

I guess “bold” is one word for this. I wonder how old this unwanted child is?

Of course it’s a big deal. Being “into” each other is simply not enough to get you through this world with your marriage intact. It doesn’t help you decide how to divide up the holidays, whether to take a job offer in another state, what to do if your birth control fails, how much of your income to save/spend, or whether/when/where to buy a house. Hell, it won’t even help you get through “If your mother walks into my house and immediately starts cleaning one more time…” If you have compatible desires and goals and priorities, you can get through these things. If you don’t, a lot of times you can’t.

:confused: That’s why people in a relationship would talk about the issue – to avoid making assumptions.

This is actually one of the reasons why my husband and I didn’t get together when we were younger. He wanted kids and I don’t have a maternal bone in my body. When I was single I’d tell guys pretty much on the first date “If you want kids, don’t even think about getting together with me because it ain’t gonna happen and it’s not fair to you.” I have never wanted to be a mother. Even when I played with dolls as a child the doll was my “sister.”

Eventually my husband I got together when we were 34 and on our first date he said “I used to want kids but now I know it’d be crazy. I can travel whenever I want, I can go fishing with the guys whenever I want - I’d be nuts to have a kid.” I swear the clouds parted and the angels sang when he said that because I knew he was The One I’m Supposed To Be With.

I’m crowding 40 so even if by some miracle I changed my mind in the next few years the risks of Autism, etc. are too high for my liking and I simply can’t roll that dice. We are quite happy to be child-free - we can travel, sleep in, do whatever we want with our disposable income, and simply enjoy our lives together. We have a dog and 2 cats to take care of and that’s perfect for us.

My mom’s friend, who was raising her grandson’s child, told her when I was younger (I’ve known damn well I’m never having kids since I was a kid myself and since I’m an only child my mom has accepted that she’ll never be a grandma): “You tell Juicy not to let anybody change her mind. It’s better to not have children at all than to have one and not want it.”

Funnily enough, in this case, the default setting might not be the majority any longer - I have read in a few places that people being married and choosing not to have kids and people simply living by themselves make up more of the population than people with kids. All the more reason to have the discussion - you can’t even assume the default any longer.

People’s ideas about kids (or a million other life choices, for that matter) can evolve and adapt to changing stations in life. Being in disagreement now doesn’t mean you weren’t perfectly compatible in the past.

In my case, my wife and I married 9 years ago, in our early 20s, with the not-much-debated assumption that we’d have kids in a few years. We both agreed that’s how it would happen, but I think most of that was because it was the “default”…it’s just what people do. We had each grown up with this basic understanding and expectation that we would be parents ourselves one day, so that was the end of it.

As we moved along into our middle 20s, setting up a home and getting careers underway, the idea of introducing a kid (or kids) to the equation started seeming further removed from where we were. It was still a “one day” kind of thing, but it was also still a few years away. Always a few years away.

Enter the late 20s. At this point, we’re comfortable DINKs, enjoying the time, money, and freedom that comes from being two working professionals and no “real” responsibility outside keeping our jobs. By now, we’ve grown into a mindset of “Well, maybe we never have to have kids. Let’s retire early and move to Hawaii when we’re 50!”

Then, almost overnight, my wife did the classic 180 on the kids thing. The alarm went off on her biological clock, and suddenly the “convincing” began. I shared no sudden change of heart, and had gotten pretty comfortable with the idea of not taking on the hassle of being parents. In fact, about the time she flip-flopped so abruptly, I had almost written off the possibility of ever having to worry about it. The next couple years were characterized by a real underlying friction, because for the first time we found ourselves on different sides of that argument. We started off on the same page, but then our feelings diverged long after our marriage started. I felt duped, and she felt frustrated.

I was never dead-set against kids. But I felt like if I was even 50/50, that tie should go to the “no kids” side. It’s not something you want to go into all half-assed. But she kept discussing it, and I started to convince myself that when you averaged my “sitting on the fence” with her “all-in” position, the result was a net “yes”. It took a while to get there, but in the end I relented. I wasn’t dragged kicking and screaming into trying for a kid, but I’ll admit I was doing something for us that I would never do for me.

Fast forward to the present day, and we have an awesome 8-month-old son, Evan. I do my best to be a good, involved, and enthusiastic parent, and I believe I’m succeeding so far. I love him to death. I’ve come to realize that most of my reservations and worries were unfounded…or at least they don’t seem to matter now. I’m a convert, I suppose, to the ideology of parenthood. I’ll always miss being a DINK household, and I’m sure I’d have been happy in a different way if we had stayed that way. But this gig is pretty good, too.

Oh, please don’t try villanize Lynn for speaking her truth. It is bold for someone to give their honest opinion, especially one that could be shamed or slammed by others who do not agree with her sentiments.

Lynn, I also thank you for posting that. I’m myself debating about having children so it’s always refreshing to hear the truthful, less-spoken experiences/opinions to appreciate the various aspects of the issue.

If more women spoke up about this kind of thing, there would be a lot fewer unwanted children in the world.

Agreed. I feel that the overwhelming majority opinion of the Dope as an entity is “Dump the bastard/Have a kid!..You deserve someone better/You’ll grow to love the child…Trust me!” and anyone who goes against that logic is trying to swim up a downhill stream.

And on the other hand I read stories like this and see the cute little baby videos and my insides do a little flip-flop. It’s so hard to make a decision. :frowning: