Why the fuck do you care what these people say? They are as entitled to their idiotic, biased, uninformed opinion as you are. And they are as allowed to express it to anyone who will listen as you are. What is it exactly that you want? No one to speak except those who agree with you?
Again, what the fuck is your point? ralph said Obama never sponsored any bills. He did. Keep changing the goalposts so that you can discount him, but ralph was wrong and I proved it. Now you discount that, and want only to regard legislation that he wrote? So nothing he’s done matters to you. Not his many years of public service, not his education, or experience with constitutional law. OK, fine. He hasn’t done anything you consider worthwhile or impressive. We get it. Matt Damon, Pamela Anderson, Peggy Noonan, and I feel the same way about Sarah Palin. Agree to disagree and stop opening idiotic threads that flaunt your intractible and flagrant disregard for him. Fair enough?
This is close to what I was trying to formulate in my head, but was too busy to post.
SA, the implication of your OP is that, once you become known by more than just your immediate acquaintances–once you achieve any kind of celebrity or notoriety–then you lose your right of free expression. Damon should STFU . . . why? Because he’s been successful in one sphere of endeavor but not another? Do you ever express a political opinion? If you suddenly became famous for something, would you then stop expressing your political opinions? I doubt it.
To prove me wrong, that you wouldn’t be a hypocrite, here’s what you can do: STFU.
I care what they say because they have fans who are totally ignorant in regard to politics and will look to them for how to vote.
For them to shut up, or failing that, to expose their ignorance and political bias.
While that would be nice, it really isn’t something I regard as possible. So, no.
In that case, I apologize. I missed ralph’s statement and just zeroed in on yours because I thought I recalled a similar statement from you in one of the other threads in which you seemed to feel that sponsorship=authorship.
No, you don’t. I think Obama is a good guy and that his accomplishments are stellar. I’d love it if he was a conservative instead. But he’s not.
The threads I’ve been opening have had very little to do with Obama himself, other than to point out that his qualifications aren’t much better - if indeed they are - than Palin’s. Rather, they’ve gone mostly to the battle of ideology.
Not exactly, though I think it’s amusing that you end a post in which you ask me if I only want to hear from people who agree with me by asking me to shut up so can apparently hear only from people who agree with you.
But at any rate, I’m a full-fledged member around here and I open far fewer threads than many of your brethren want only to bash the right. Hell, BrainGlutton opens at least one a day and he has for months on end.
So no, I think I’ll continute to open threads and post as I see fit.
Not at all. I’ve never said they don’t have a right to speak their opinions. However, I do often think those opinions are wrongheaded and ignorant and it pisses me off that they use their celebrity to espouse those wrongheaded and ignorant opinions.
See my reply to the same plea from Rubystreak above.
Do you really, truly think that? That people are out there deciding who to vote for based on what Matt Damon says, or what PAM ANDERSON says? Bullshit. You are just angry that famous people are espousing a view that you disagree with. Get over it. Everyone has the right to speak about their views. Too bad if you don’t like it.
Just as you are continually exposing your own ignorance and bias? And it’s pretty fucked up that you just want everyone who disagrees with you to shut up. But it’s an excellent example of prototypical conservative values, which are not in line with American values of free speech.
Yeah, no, I never said that. Please read the thread before you respond to things, OK? It would improve your noise to signal to noise ratio by quite a bit.
I truly believe that, if he were conserative with the same exact qualifications, you’d be defending him to the rafters. Which makes you a hypocrite.
Ludicrous, but someone else’s battle to fight with you.
If you want them to STFU, I’m asking you to model the same behavior. But of course, you won’t. And neither will they. But you knew that. You just wanted to bitch in yet another thread, about liberals. It’s getting old. But hey, it’s your dime. Go ahead. You’re just making yourself look like an idiot, which I personally enjoy.
If BrainGlutton is telling people to STFU, then refusing to do so himself, then by all means, point out the hypocrisy to him just as I am doing to you.
Hardly. If that’s the case, why does the media seek out and publicize their comments? (And coincidentally, why do we never seem to hear much from the conservative actors in Hollywood? I know for a fact they are there.)
I want millions of dollars but I don’t think that should be the law of the land. Again, I’ve never said they shouldn’t have a right of free speech; I just reserve the right to criticize them for it when they do.
I apologized, which is what one should do when they make a mistake. Thank you for showing the leftie lack of class and civility that I’ve been talking about in your response.
No, it would make me truthful. I haven’t been assailing Obama, I’ve merely been pointing out that his qualifications are just as scant as those of Palin, and I’ve pointed out that unlike her, he’ll be in the driver’s seat from day one. Hardly a scathing criticism. And for the record, if Palin was on the left and people were proclaiming her qualifications as they are for Obama, I would be arguing with that too.
You seem awfully worked up for someone who’s enjoying herself.
I’m not telling them to shut up altogether, only when they obviously don’t know what they’re talking about - which as it happens is almost always the case. Again, Damon said he didn’t know anything about her, and used that lack of knowledge to proselytize the view that she’d be a disaster. How is that not stupid?
So you see, it’s not words that I oppose, it’s stupidity.
SA, despite your deceptively moderate tone and delivery, you’re one of the most consistently intellectually dishonest posters on this board. Thanks for the entertainment.
Sure, if you happen to live in Alaska. But for the 99% of us who don’t, she was and is a complete unknown who seems to be trying very hard to stay that way until the election.
SA, I’m not going to sit here and name every single conservative celebrity out there. Suffice to say, however, what the hell difference does it make to the topic at hand? You’re basically admitting that you wouldn’t have started this topic if Matt Damon had been a McCain supporter.
I’m sure whatever celebrity spouted off would be published. I know you’re implying liberal bias and the media, and all I have to say is, yawn. If Damon is so egregiously stupid, one might think the media is publicizing his POV to discredit him, no?
You told them to STFU. That’s not espousing the value of free speech. That’s telling someone who disagrees with you to stop talking. You don’t like it when it’s done to you, so the Golden Rule would suggest you not do it to others. Matt Damon is entitled to his opinion. It’s too bad for you that more people are interested in what he says than what you say.
Telling people to STFU shows a lack of class and civility too. Let’s not pretend this is a civil discussion. It’s the fucking Pit. But you’re right, it would have been more gracious of me to accept your apology. However, it is your MO not to read other people’s posts before you respond to them, as you did upthread when talking about Peggy Noonan. That tells me that you’re uninterested in a dialogue but only want to spout your own opinion, untainted by a give-and-take discourse.
First of all, I never accused you of “assailing” Obama. You are disregarding his (much greater than Palin’s) education and experience and discounting everything he’s done. Saying she is as, if not more, experienced than Obama, is frankly absurd. Let’s not kid ourselves-- if McCain is elected, there’s a very good chance Palin will be president. She should be evaluated on that basis, and people have a right to express concern about that. Matt Damon has enough information to fear that she will be a disaster. I have similar fears. Should I STFU too? Don’t answer that.
You think this is worked up? You don’t know me, do you?
Well, isn’t that convenient? Why aren’t you telling ralph to shut up when he makes inaccurate statements? It’s because… you only tell people to shut up who disagree with you, I guess.
You are deliberately distorting Damon’s comments. He doesn’t know anything about Palin-- in the sense that she is an unknown to the national stage, and isn’t being very open with the press now either. Unlike Joe Biden, no one had heard of her until McCain chose her. THAT is what he meant when he said he “didn’t know anything about her.” How do I know that? Because he went on to list numerous things he did know about her: she’s a “hockey mom,” an Evangelical Christian and might be a creationist, she wanted to ban books, has very little experience in government, etc. This is a list of things that would make any sensible person nervous, and nothing has yet been offered to assuage those concerns.
I must also take issue with your mischaracterization of his “bad Disney movie” comment. He was talking about the idea of the plucky small town folksy person, through a series of precipitous events, becoming president, as a heartwarming story about the triumph of the little guy, as if it were the plot of a movie. In fact, movies of this nature have been made, and the concept is a bit of a naive Disney cliche. In reality, it would be scary to have a person like that facing down Vladimir Putin. Mr. Damon’s POV is not stupid, but one that I and probably many Americans share, and with valid reason.
What I see is someone painting his ideological opponent as stupid (and say what you want about him, but I think Mr. Damon is far from stupid) for the purpose of discrediting him. I don’t think you’ve proven that he’s stupid and therefore should STFU. And since, regardless of how stupid and biased others may think you are, you will not STFU, I wish you would not demand such from others.
Well, there was this fellow, whatshisname? Reagan?, and what´s Arnold, chopped liver? Also the guy who took a swing at the Republican nomination some months ago.
Let’s get this clear re: Obama having no more experience than Palin - Palin has crap for experience. You want to claim that this small-town aw-shucks huckster with a Miss Wisalla sash, a BA in journalism, a few years managing small-town politics and two years in the most brain-dead gubernatorial position in the country (oh, and and a whole lot of fucking can-do-it USA #1, rah-rah gumption) has more experience than a person who graduated magna cum laude from Harvard, while having supervised a staff of 80 on the Harvard Law review for 2 years, and after graduating managed various staffs ranging from tens to hundreds as director of various community organization projects, and then served for several years as the state senator representing the interests of around 700k constituents on Chicago’s South Side (50k more than live in the whole state of AK), and then served in the Senate for the last three years, where he’s served on several committees including the Foreign Affairs and Homeland Security comittees, and served as the chair of the subcommittee for European Affairs. I’m sorry, but this makes him a damn sight more qualified to speak on the Russian situation than Mrs. Hockey Mom, who just got off the continent for the first time last year.
If you want to claim that Palin and Obama have equivalent experience, provide a cite for Palin’s expierence (cause her Wikipedia page doesn’t show it, that’s for fucking sure). Otherwise, shut the fuck up about experience.
And you still dance around the issue - Palin is all grit and attitude, and very little accomplishment. And how will this help us in the very real event that she’s president, and staring down Putin, or Kim Jong Il’s successor, or anybody who speaks with an accent for that matter. Fuck this hockey mom shit, I want someone who’s not only worked on some of these problems before, but who also sees the value in a diplomatic approach. Both Obama and Biden fit the bill here, but neither Palin nor McCain do.
