Hey, it’s possible Vinny Cerrato isn’t an idiot – he could be a Dallas fan working undercover.
Interesting stats:
This year, McNabb has a 58.3% completion rate, averaging 259 Yds/Game, and a QB rating of 77.1
Over his career, he has a 58.9% completion rate, averaging 225 Yds/Game, and a QB rating of 85.7
The main difference is the TD/INT ratio of 14:15 this year, vs. a career average of about 19:10.
My thoughts in the previous thread were
It looks like he still has poor consistency and mechanics, and has not led Washington to big game wins… Shanahan didn’t make him a SB-winner, and Reid appeared to drop him when the time was right.
A win for the Eagles, a bad move for Washington, but it looks like he will be out of there soon after the final whistle in week 17.
::SIGH::
Mcnabb couldn’t be a Super Bowl winner in his prime. Good and very good at prime career time was not enough.
Was time to move on, and as a side effect this further highlighted Mcnabb’s weakness, and the weaknesses are a bit more magnified due to age. Reid knew Mcnabb down to the core.
I was harsh and then some in my criticism. Some folks thought I was being spoiled for not accepting just winning, when I insisted in Philadelphia we want a Super Bowl victory. When it was clear it couldn’t be Mcnabb, demanding fans were glad to see him go.
The Redskins are a train wreck. Mcnabb was part victim and part culprit this year.
It is amazing that a good team changes quarterbacks and still is good and a bad team changes qbs and remains bad is taken as proof that quarterbacks are the overwhelming determining factor as to whether a team can win a championship.
Well… how should we proceed then?
We should do what – exactly – when we have a QB that seems to lack something? Should we disregard any issues or should we address/discuss them?
Tom Brady and Michael Vick are doing some amazing things. With them, their teams might be “just” one little win better than without. If you follow sports… well, then need I go on?
Yep… 12-4 with a great QB or 11-5 with an okay guy. Then, there are the playoffs. The 11-5 guy got you in, but you had to travel, and he was about 1 play less effective than the great QB come playoff time.
That. Is. Huge.
COUGH COUGH COUGH
I’m not sure that Shanahan really, really thought Interceptosaurus Rex gave him the best chance to win. Hope for his sake the 'Skins don’t piss away that third-round pick…ah, what am I saying. Of course they will.
I had to check to see if I had said anything remotely stupid in the old thread. I was pretty optimistic and I thought the O-line would be better… well, they did draft Williams and they played better.
Granted we only have the Dallas game to look at… but once the first quarter was done Grossman looked pretty damn good. He did turn into Rex Grossman at the end of the game, but the ball was spread around to seven different receivers. They didn’t run the ball at all hardly, despite having a beast in Torain.
I’ve watched every game this season - and really, outside of the Houston game when McNabb threw for almost 500 yards, he hasn’t looked good. Now there are tons of problems in DC - but McNabb played terribly and for the longest time, I was convinced that the Shanahans were the problem. But Grossman’s performance suggests that maybe there is something to their comments about his preparation, familiarity with the playbook.
If Grossman plays as well as he did yesterday next week then I will be very skeptical of how McNabb approached this season.
There’s also that thing about the Cowboys having the 28th ranked pass defense too. They make people look better than they are.
Without looking, I can say I stand by what I said then: McNabb is not a Hall of Fame Quarterback, but he was Very Good, and is still Pretty Good. He was not awful this year.
It was time for him to go in Philly as they are surrounded, but he was a poor fit for the Redskins, who are in need of wholesale rebuilding from the ground up.
The only part that is shocking/sad to me was the extension last month.
It’s shocking if the Skins are so inept that they sign a guy to an extension, and then give up on him a month later. That’s raw incompetence.
Of course, it’s likely that Skins’ plan is to sign him so they can trade him for a pick. If that’s the case, I’m shocked that McNabb was so clueless as to not sense that he was not dwelling in the favor of Kyle Shanahan.
It’s possible, however, that McNabb knew full well that his time was short, and was willing to pass up free agency and accept being traded in return for a few million. That would be sad.
ISTM that the Shanahans lost their fucking options. AIUI, Grossman is the #2 QB and does have NFL starting experience. Who would you have gone with, the #3 QB with even less experience?
My take now isn’t that different from what it was at the time of the trade.
I’ve always thought McNabb was a very good but not great NFL quarterback. I still do.
I thought he was the best quarterback the Eagles had, but I knew he was starting to get old. Andy Reid is a very good, very smart coach, so I understood why he thought it was time to look to the future. I still do. Trading McNabb might have been a good move even if Kevin Kolb had been healthy and starting all season. It looks like a BRILLIANT move now, solely because Michael Vick turned out to be much better than expected.
That said, I don’t think McNabb is completely washed up. I think he could definitely be a productive starter for another 2+ years. He just had the misfortune to play for a coach who has turned into a raging egomaniac (maybe he always was one and I just didn’t know) who has mishandled EVERY big decision this year. Mike Shanahan has been so determined to prove his manhood and his power that he has turned every decision into an unnecessary battle.
If he didn’t like Albert Haynsworth, Shanahan should have just said, “You’re not worth the trouble, Albert, I’m cutting you,” and everyone would have understood. Instead, he’s been playing mind games with Albert all season. If Shanahan had told McNabb early in the season, “I’m really sorry, Donovan, you’ve been a great player, but you’re just not the right fit for my offense,” people would have understood. Instead, Shanahan has jerked around McNabb unforgivably.
I used to admire Shanahan as a coach, but this year, he seems like Eric Cartman, always snarling “Respect my authori-TAH!”
The Eagles were probably right to trade McNabb, but I still think he can come back and have a few more good years.
Agreed on Shanahan.
McNabb should have a bunch of offers next year (provided he’s not held hostage in Washington) to play the “Kurt Warner in NY” role babysitting a first round rookie QB. San Fran and Arizona would be top contenders for his services, IMO.