Men!

[Flypsyde]

This ain’t 1984, my friend.

Well, this is just GREAT!!! Now what the hell am I gonna do with all those Izods I just bought???

[QuickSilver]

Fuck you very much Swimmy for a completely non relevant post. At which point in my last post did you conclude that I was generalizing in any way. I thought my comments were specifically directed at only one 19 year old in question and that was Sara. So when exactly did the train leave the tracks for you?

Look, if you want to whine and complain about how everybody is a unique individual - just like everyone else - then you may open a post of your own and beat the drum about how unique a person you really are. This is not a post about uniqueness. This is a post where Sara is objecting to the fact that, in her limited experience, most men tend to fall first for the blond bombshell and not the passably attractive and deeply cerebral girl in the corner of the room reading Nabakov. If that’s not a premise loaded with generelizations then you wouldn’t know one if it bit you in the ass.

My response to her, in no gentle terms I admit, is that she is an immature 19 and does not really know a lot about life in general and men in particular at this point. If she did, her post would not be so naive and childish.

So once again, thanks for taking the time to write complete nonsense that is entirely off topic. You congenital :wally.

[HomeSlice]

Anyone named “Z” does not sound like a nice guy.

[Lexicon]

Sara said (bolding mine):

The fact that most of my guy friends at college drool over BS’s videos three times a day, talk about all the disgusting things they want to do to her body, and rate girls on how close to looking like Britney they come makes me think that men my age are idiots who drool over a bigger idiot with nothing to offer but boobs and a blonde hair.

This is an even more stupid thing to say. You realize that you are making a sweeping generalization, here, right? It’s like me starting a thread called “women” and stating that I think all women my age are total bitches because the women that I know are bitches. Unless I know all women, I can’t make this type of statement without looking like a total dipshit.

That type of thought is so fuckin’ backward, so assinine, so stupid, that it makes you look like a complete fool. What the fuck are you thinking?

And not only that, at the risk of seeming to defend BS, have you ever met her? Do you know her? How do you know she’s an idiot? Is she? I don’t know, maybe she is.

You know, you get all pissed off that these dorkelsons you hang out with are all drooly over her, but the subtext of what you wrote seems to scream jealousy, and that you are comparing yourself to her. Yet you say:

I am happy. I was just pissed. I am happy 95% of the time. People tell me I smile too much. I was not blaming anyone. I don’t think I’m to blame for men being attracted to ditzy idiots. I never blamed anyone. I was simply expressing rage that seemingly intelligent men lose their minds over stupid women with nothing to offer.
As for taking action, I’m planning on it. But this IS the Pit and I am allowed to rant a little, aren’t I? Thanks.

You’re happy? That’s cool. I hope so. From what you post, not just in the OP but in this thread, you sure don’t sound like it.
And you keep saying that men “lose their minds over stupid women with nothing to offer”. Why do you keep saying that? How do you know they have nothing to offer? On the one hand, maybe they are smart and witty and nice. On the other hand, maybe they are a stupid slut with big boobs.
Either way, they have something to offer, it just depends on what the guy is looking for.

And then, you go on to say:

Now I am really confused. What am I supposed to clean up? I can’t change every man’s mind. I can’t make every man see why women who are not perfect can have more to offer than perfectly beautiful idiots. To be or not to be? I am. I have no idea what you are talking about. What are you saying? That is the question…
Again, I will cry all the fucking time about whatever I want. Thanks.

Allright, I’m convinced. You’re an idiot. You had me fooled for a while there, but now I know better.

What are you supposed to clean up? Nothing, retard. What I was trying to say is that if this is something that pisses you off, it’s up to you to try and adjust your outlook instead of bithcing about something you can’t change.

You’re right, you can’t change every man’s mind. That’s the point. So shut your ass about it and try to get two things through your thick skull:

1. Not every man’s mind is like that.

2. If you can’t change a man’s mind, maybe you should stop stressing about it and look for a man who doesn’t need his mind changed.

Moving right along, I’m not saying that life sucks. What I am saying is that you shouldn’t expect everything to go your way all the time just because you are some shiny happy idiot.
If your outlook works for you, fine. More power to you. But I can tell you that you need to open your eyes. If you think that you can smile through everything and expect the sun to shine all the time, you’re in for some serious fucking disappointment.

And what’s up with this?

No, because then everything would be complicated by my second brain/penis. Who wants one of those? Not me, no thanks.

The only reason I was saying that guys have it easier is because we do. A guy can be an overweight and kid of gnarly looking, and even if he doesn’t have high paying job, he can get by on personality.
Girls tend to forgive flaws in the packaging for a good personality. Someone said that already, right? They were right.
And as I guy, I don’t have to contend with all the media fueled bullshit about what a hot woman looks like.
To tell you the truth, I don’t think a lot of women have to either, but it makes a convenient excuse for a lot of them.
And finally, this really proves that you are in need of a bitch slap and a reality check, and that you are pretty dim, in addition to being a hypocrite and shallow to boot.

I’ve never done that - dismissed a person at first glance. I guess it comes from being in fifth grade with buck teeth, a bad perm,wearing a woman’s size 16 (Ive lost a lot of weight in my life), but I give everyone ample time to prove their worth to me.

You mean to say that you want to take back everything you said about all those “bimbos”, “idiots” and “ditzes” that you are dismissing at first glance? That’s big of you <snicker>.
I don’t think I can keep responding to the meaningless bunk you keep drooling out. Does your keyboard click, or does it squish?
I’ll do my best, but you’re such a freaking dumbass (at least in this matter, I don’t want to generalize) I don’t think I can keep up.

[andros]

::munch, munch, munch::

Anyone need some popcorn? I have a couple beers in the cooler. But you can’t have my opera glasses–I don’t want to miss a single bit of this.

“Better than pro wrestling!”
-Peter Puppy

[HomeSlice]

From ECW to this.

Don’t be so harsh on Sara, everyone deserves the right to feel sorry for themselves once in a while.

[TVeblen]

Thanks! ::swipes popcorn::

Well, this is heating up nicely! No sarcasm, either; good to see an intelligent flame-war for a change.

Actually I only dropped in because of dropzone’s “credentialed anthropologist” thing. I had fantasies of a Blazing Saddles “let me whip this out…!” moment, but then it went for naught.

May I suggest that there’s some confusion over love and lust goin’ on here? Lust is basic as hell, but it’s also programmable. (Art history lesson: Rubens, Titian, etc.) Dat ol’ demon lust, the yowlin’, prowlin’ urge to mate is hardwired, but the *expression[i/i] is takes is variable as hell. Basic sexual orientation, the norms of the time and place, etc. all make a helluva lotta difference.

Then, as if things weren’t confused enough, you get the whole unchartable universe between the ears that laughingly passes for psychology. What keys and symbols and unnameable impluses lead to a “heart-pattern” just so?

And then there’s love–as if that’s simple! That’s the durable stuff that lives on, in tandem with the lust part if lucky, but distinctly boring, mundane real world of applied emotions.

Class! WAKE UP!..!

No way simple lines are gonna define much, but denial and rationlizations just compound the fracture. True fact: some men and women are attracted to sex objects; some men and women are attracted to success objects. (Life is always interesting; women are now disconcerted that “trophy wives” have to be CEO’s; and men because they have to be nurturing, sensitive souls. On top of everything else, of course.)

Clear everything up? If not, discuss among yourselves. I’m still musing over AlphaGene’s bulging fly.

Veb

[Silo]

Ooops! I think we scared her off! You can’t get too much on your high horse here in the pit, Sara. People will tear you down pretty quick. Cecil is the only one here that can get away with being true know-it-all. Live and learn.

[Falcon]

Hell, Veb, I’m still in shock that Silo told someone to listen to me.

And FWIW, Lexi? Right on, sir. I am one of those bookish types that sits in the corner, is a little shy, not real confident about her appearance…and hell, I don’t hate women who look like magazine covers. More power to 'em! BUT, as I get older, I realize more and more that NOT every guy goes for that. Trust me.

(Oh, and someone point me to this post the next time I whine that I’ll never find someone? Thanks.)

[TVeblen]

Hey, Falcon, you and me, kiddo. Somebody has to kick basic sense into dense male brain pans, even if it takes a mule kick or 2x4 to do it.

And the minor problems experienced with the italics was just a hideously subtle experiment, measuring male visual perception.

::koff::

What with the smoke, mirrors, obsfucation, frustration, pontificating and generalized bitching over something as basic as sex, it’s a wonder poor Cecil ::orchestral music swells–so to speak:: manages to Fight Ignorance all this time.

Veb

[Nacho4Sara]

Oh, wow, I go to work and look what happens!

Well, I don’t really care if anyone flames at me. I know who I am, I like who I am, I know I am intelligent and have plenty to offer. No one else knows this because they have never met me. So think what you want. I’ll continue to be as fabulous as usual. Thanks.

Now, let’s get personal.

Quicksilver - I will not stoop so low as to actually quote that mess you called a post. I will point out that we have argued before, in Great Debates, and I believe the conclusion of your entire post was that you were wrong in your assumption. I helped enforce the idea that you were wrong. Now you attempt to flame me using out-dated sociological bullshit and are proven wrong. Instead of leaving it there, you also insult my education, my appearence, my bahavior, and my love life.

Hmmm, does someone have a superiority complex?

I don’t care how old you are. Your behavior and childish name-calling makes me believe you are the immature half-wit, not me.

You have contradicted me twice and been proven wrong. By a 19 year old.

In your first post, you attacked me. When I argued that point, you attacked me. When you were proven wrong, you attacked me. Sure, dude whatever. Call me what you want. In your eyes anyone who doesn’t believe the bullshit you serve up on a regular basis is stupid. Fine with me.

You can attack me whenever you want. Hey! Be just like johnnyharvard and start a thread about how much you hate me. I don’t care. Have fun. You have my blessing. Just link to the threads we have gone head to head one so everyone sees what an idiot you are.

Oh, wait, I think I will quote you:

(read: I’m not above rubbing salt into an opponent’s wounds when an occassion calls for it.)

Oh, what wounds would they be? Am I supposed to be insulted by your silly little diatribe? I’m not. Nope, not at all. So go rub salt wherever the hell you want, kid. It makes me laugh when you think you are superior because you are 1. older and 2. have a pretty wife. Yeah, you’re so cool. Way to go. Being born ahead of me? Score!!

As for the DMV thing, you’re the one who can’t stand being proven wrong by a 19 year old.

One more time:

Get over it, for christ sake! You are not god’s gift to anyone. Nobody is… well, except if you are Pamela Anderson, or Katherine Zeta Jones, or even Angelina Jolie (even though she had that incest thing going on…)

Thanks for reiterating my OP in your cave man babble. Why are they God’s gift? Because their fake tits are perky? Has Pamela ever impressed you with her intelligence? Have you read an Angelina Jolie interview? I sincerely do not see anything these women have to offer besides appearence.

Just for the record, the pit doesn’t give anyone the excuse to be an asshole.

Thanks and have a nice day!

bump Hi! Welcome to the board. Please don’t let Quicksilver fool you - most of us are nice. Have fun and don’t stay too long in the Pit!

Lexicon Oh no, someone else doesn’t like me. If I had lower self-esteem I might care. Nah, take that back, I’d still think you are full of shit.

This is an even more stupid thing to say. You realize that you are making a sweeping generalization, here, right?

Duh. Did you read my OP? I made a sweeping generalization. Didn’t that kind of set the tone for the thread? Yeah, thought it did.

IT’S THE PIT. THE PIT. SPELL IT WITH ME RETARD P-I-T. I was mad. Welcome to reality.

That type of thought is so fuckin’ backward, so assinine, so stupid, that it makes you look like a complete fool. What the fuck are you thinking?

Clearly something different from you. But that makes me happy.

You’re happy? That’s cool. I hope so. From what you post, not just in the OP but in this thread, you sure don’t sound like it.

Thanks for reading my post, brain trust. I said I was ANGRY. Think real hard here…angry is different from sad. I can be angry and happy at the same time. Like, I gte pissed when I think about it, but most of the time I don’t. Hopefully you’ll master duel emotions at some point in your life. Might wanna fact check next time, Lex, cause now you lost a whole lot of credibility with me. Not that you had that much to begin with with that Buddha crap, but hey.

And you keep saying that men “lose their minds over stupid women with nothing to offer”. Why do you keep saying that? How do you know they have nothing to offer? On the one hand, maybe they are smart and witty and nice. On the other hand, maybe they are a stupid slut with big boobs.

I mentioned that I met his girlfriend and she was an idiot. Please refer back to my comments about:
a. sweeping generalizations being the theme of the thread;
b. reading my posts.

Thanks!

Allright, I’m convinced. You’re an idiot. You had me fooled for a while there, but now I know better.

Ah damn, the gig is up.

Moving right along, I’m not saying that life sucks. What I am saying is that you shouldn’t expect everything to go your way all the time just because you are some shiny happy idiot.
If your outlook works for you, fine. More power to you. But I can tell you that you need to open your eyes. If you think that you can smile through everything and expect the sun to shine all the time, you’re in for some serious fucking disappointment.

Wow, now the all-knowing Lexi is telling me how to live my life. Ok, I’ll just smile and you be angry. I’ll die happy and you can die with a big pout on your face. Hey, works for me. Life is disappintment? Duh once again. My point was, you smile and learn from it, or you sit and think real hard about how much life sucks. I don’t think the sun shines, I think it is up to me to decide if I will look at something as good or bad. I seldom find things bad, just something I can learn from. Like right now, you called me stupid…not bad. I just learned that some people don’t read what I write and twist my words and through philosophical bullshit at me. Hey, whatever blows your hair back, buddy.

I don’t think I can keep responding to the meaningless bunk you keep drooling out. Does your keyboard click, or does it squish?
I’ll do my best, but you’re such a freaking dumbass (at least in this matter, I don’t want to generalize) I don’t think I can keep up.

Pleeease tell me you can’t keep up. Really, I won’t miss your brand of idiocy and hypocracy at all. See ya later!

Ooops, forgot one:

The only reason I was saying that guys have it easier is because we do. A guy can be an overweight and kid of gnarly looking, and even if he doesn’t have high paying job, he can get by on personality.
Girls tend to forgive flaws in the packaging for a good personality. Someone said that already, right? They were right.

HEY! Thanks for supporting my whole thread. That’s what I said and you just agreed I was right.

Tell me, did you read the OP? Or just stare at it and try to understand? Yup, that’s what I thought.

By the way, I SAID THAT FUCKHEAD! What are you telling me my whole outlook on life is wrong? Why the Intro to Philosophy post? You agree with me! GET IT!!

Never mind. Of course you don’t.

Jeez! I only plan to have 1 kid…2 at the most. No offense but that’s an immature statement considering children cost on average a half million a piece to bring up these days (and when you have kids and bring them up it’ll be up to $800,000 a piece). 5-8 SHEESH! Well i’m NOT gonna be poor! I hope you’re majoring in something that’s gonna make you a lot of money cause you’ll need it (whoever the guy is you hook up with better be making a lot of money too, Sheeeeeeeesh!!!).

As for me, I prefer a more lavish lifestyle. They say the more intelligent the people the less kids they have–think about it!

(you should listen to lexi, and alpha and falcon and me and…etc… get wisdom pleasse! don’t just poke replies—at us, it makes you look bad)

1. How does wanting a big family make me stupid? I love kids. I know I will be a great mother. I want to have lots of children. Makes sense to me. I actually only plan on having 3-4 children of my own and then being a foster parent. Is that ok with you or does that make me stupid too? Just wondering.

2. I’ll figure out how to raise the kids, k? Who said money = happiness? Not me, that’s for sure.

3. I AM listening to falcon, Swiddles, and Alpha. They are making sense. You were until this post. Not all people who love kids are Catholic sheep. Lexi never made sense, so who cares about him. If you repsond to the OP and make sense, trust me, I am listening. But if you are spouting nonsensical bullshit, then just keep on doing your thing because I am not listening.
   I thought you were nice. You offered me a hug. What crawled up your ass? The same keyboard the someone shoved up Quicksilver’s.

I have nothing against you being interested in a cute doc, but it is an interesting juxtaposition in light of the contents of this thread. You rant against men who go gaga over a hot bimbo type, slamming them as shallow. Yet here you share about a potential romantic interest, and you comment on his physical attractiveness and are clearly excited about the lucrative/high-status nature of his occupation. Isn’t that THE stereotypical mate for the shallow woman - a cute doctor? Maybe this fella does treat you with kindness and respect and makes you laugh, and it just seems like you are being shallow getting all excited about his cute doctorness(just as maybe those guys are only seeming to go gaga because she’s a full-breasted tit willow, and you miss what they are actually attracted to)
I pass no judgement, nor do I have any particularly opinion, about how you (or anyone)evaluate potential mates, nor what initially attracts you to them - “one cannot choose where the heart leads”. I do, however, get a huge kick out of seeing someone make sweeping disparaging generalizations, and then apparently engage in what they were objecting to.

I was joking when I said that - but nevermind. Most of you can give a rat’s ass. I said that because he is an EYE doctor at WAL-MART - I certainly am not after his “money.”

I liked him because he made me laugh the whole interview and talked to me about my recent issues with college.

I said that. Take it as you will. He took me out to dinner and it didn’t work out, so I don’t care. His “doctor” status paled in light of the fact we are not compatible.

See, everyone think real hard now…if that’s all I cared about, I wouldn’t be typing this. I’d be fucking him and hoping for some money. But I’m not like that. See? Makes sense to me.

TVeblen, Swiddles and every once else who posted, thanks. I appreciate your input.

Swiddles - be careful. QS will go out of his way to flame you every chance he gets. I know you must be terrified (hehe) but try to be strong. Try to respect him. He is, after all, older than us.

snicker

I have to work tomorrow, and then I have plans, so I might not get a chance to post tomorrow. Just so ya know…I’m not afraid of the big bad older boys. Just have alife, that’s all.

[Nacho4Sara]

No Silo I was not afraid. Some of us have full-time jobs and can’t post every five minutes.

I was born on this high horse and I don’t plan on climbing off it anytime soon.

[HomeSlice]

Damn our full time jobs!!!

[matt_mcl]

Nacho:

Score!!!

[Silo]

I give up! I at least admit when i’m WRONG. Me and Lex…et al aren’t telling you how to live your life, just offering advice.

BTW, i’m on a little vacation now from working “7” days a week with jackhammers, putting pipelines in, clearing land for roadways, boring tunnels, and working in 10 foot deep/2 foot wide trenches filled with sewage up to my knees. I don’t sit on my ass usually.

[dropzone]

Veb – Allow me to whip this out…

Hey! I paid good money for that degree and it’s nice to have a chance to pontificate once in a while.

So there! <blerm>

[xenophon41]

Jeez, I hope Lexicon responds to this whiny, self-serving, revisionist-within-her-own-thread, “you didn’t read what I really meant and I’m justified in making generalizations about men because I said they were generalizations” most half-assed excuse for a rebuttal I’ve ever freaking had the displeasure to step in.

Other than that, I have nothing to add here.
And no, 'Sara, I’m not gonna jump into the discussion. This aint GD, and I can damn well flame and sit back if I want to.

Besides, nice guy 'though I am, you really wouldn’t like me when I’m angry. (That’s a straight line, BTW. Feel free to point out “I don’t like you now, xeno.”) (But I like you, NFS, when you’re not being a petulant asshole.)

[HomeSlice]

**

And no, 'Sara, I’m not gonna jump into the discussion. This aint GD, and I can damn well flame and sit back if I want to.

**

So you admit you’re a bull-milking coward?

[Nacho4Sara]

(But I like you, NFS, when you’re not being a petulant asshole.)

IT’S THE PIT. There are at least five threads I’ve read TONIGHT ALONE that are petulant.

Jeez, I hope Lexicon responds to this whiny, self-serving, revisionist-within-her-own-thread, “you didn’t read what I really meant and I’m justified in making generalizations about men because I said they were generalizations” most half-assed excuse for a rebuttal I’ve ever freaking had the displeasure to step in.

Maybe it’s the NyQuil I am taking, but I have re-read Lexicon’s posts and they seriously do not make sense to me. I am willing to admit when I am wrong (as I have many times already on the MB - do a search if you actually care, but I have). I don’t see any validity to Lexicon or Quicksilver’s posts. I honestly think they are full of shit.

Besides, nice guy 'though I am, you really wouldn’t like me when I’m angry. (That’s a straight line, BTW. Feel free to point out “I don’t like you now, xeno.”)

Damn took my line. I don’t care if you join on or not. Really, I am not afraid. But thanks for the imput. Appreciate it.
One more time, all together now: I don’t care if anyone likes me or not. I have friends IRL (how about you Xeno, eh?-sorry I had to) that think I am awesome and I like myself just fine. I couple of dinks on a MB (I am not being general, I think we all know who those dinks are, right) calling me stupid will not affect my self-esteem AT ALL. Really. So like me or hate me. I’ll just continue on with my merry life and post till my heart’s content. If everyone has a fucking vote about how much they hate me because of my opinions and posts, then hell I’ll still keep posting if I want to. Or maybe I’ll just move on.

It IS just a message board, people. You know that right?

[techchick68]

I couldn’t resist, between the flames, Alphagene and Flyp I was on an emotional roller coaster there.

Sara, I am 31, will be 32 in August. I have been around a lot of men, friends, lovers and sexual conquests. All from different backgrounds, incomes and interests.

The thing that I recall from my years after high school (I didn’t go to college so my view is very different) were that the friends I hung around with usually included the men I dated, were friends with etc.

In other words, if you don’t like the class of men you see around you, find some new friends.

If you want to meet a guy you would like to date and share intelligent conversation with, a guy who is interested in you and not the size of your tits or color of your hair, (Hey we all are interested in physical stuff, that’s what attraction is all about) then find some friends that don’t include these sorts of men.

I am living proof.

I used to hang out with a certain group of people that smoked a lot of pot, I dated a guy in that group that smoked a lot of pot, I smoked a lot of pot. I didn’t like it, I found new friends.

I used to hang out with some biker types. I have dated a biker. I still miss the hell out of him. And he was a very gorgeous man along with a sweetness I fell in love with.

Not all 19-24 year old men are so entrenched in boobs, ass and hair. There are some great guys out there you are just looking in the wrong places.

Of course, I am no one to claim I know shit about life. My last rant included the fact that I was lonely, but not once in that rant did I state it was the fault of useless men.

There are, and will always be, men that prefer the tits, ass and blonde, but in my experience (and yes I am a blonde but I lack tits my butt is big and I have a monitor tan – white girl) there are plenty of caring and nice men out there you are just looking in the wrong places.

Oh an those of you men that have generalized about women wanting money – sorry sweeties but I got my own, don’t need yours.

Okay what do I want in a man? (just to settle things with the guys here)

1. His appearance must be nice. He can have long hair, short hair just not greasy hair. He can be wearing jeans, dockers or a suit, just don’t expect me to wear dresses often. If he’s a little overweight I don’t mind, I don’t need abs, abs don’t make the man. A nice appearance means clean and that he cares about himself.

2. A steady job. He doesn’t have to make a lot of money but steady means a man who has goals, even if that’s just to save enough to retire in a little 2 bedroom house.

3. Personality. Fun, he doesn’t have to be a comedian but a guy who enjoys acting like a kid once in a while. Serious when at appropriate times, etc.

Those are just the top 3 of my requirements in a man. You see, not all us woman are that bad. I am sure there are a lot of women on this board that have very similar requirements.

This wasn’t a Pit like post but thought I would chime in here.