Milum, let's talk Lekatt

[PatriotX]

What would you like to discuss?

[Q.E.D]

I think I speak for all of us when I say, WTF?

[PatriotX]

link

I didn’t think that GD was the appropriate forum for the kindof discussion I was expecting.

[Airman_Doors_USAF]

That’s a pretty convincing argument against the guy’s credibility.

[Q.E.D]

Originally posted by lekatt
**I will continue on the path to truth, I don’t buy into science or religion, both are closed-minded systems, and will only learn what the high priests dictate.

I prefer to remain a free thinker, interested in proof. This is no proof in evolution or the bible creation story. But there is proof in the spirituality of man.**

Da hell? What a wack job.

[Squink]

*Originally posted by Q.E.D. *
**Da hell? What a wack job. **

Yeah, but if you slap a set of strings and pickup on him, he’d make a really wild sounding electric guitar

[tracer]

“Science” has high priests? Dang it, no wonder controlled nuclear fusion research is so under-funded – none of the researchers knows about these high preiests, and they’ve all been missing Confessional!

[elf6c]

Damn, that’s one sad thread.

By the linked posts in that thread, it appears that Lecatt is a lying wack job-

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2954172&highlight=willett#post2954172

As a former Navy OS- I quickly found about 6 wrong things with that post.

Here is the BS:
**________
Picture this:
I am sitting at the radar screen on the USS Willett, a Navy Destroyer. We are returning to base in New Orleans after a two week training cruise. I am bored, tired, I flip the screen from ship search (20 knots/miles) to airplane search (200 knots/miles). I see that the upper part of the screen is covered with the reflected signals. I freeze, the blood drains from my face. I quickly turn to the new skipper, a skeptic, and say, "sir, we have a hurricane approaching at 95 knots, ETA is 35 minutes. We should go to battle stations now. The skeptic says, “now son what makes you think that,” I show him the trace on the radar, he says, “ok, we have a white area there on the screen, but I will need more info before I can put this ship on battle stations,” I say, “I have experienced this before, I know what this is, for heavens sake call battle stations.”, He says, “son you know how unreliable personal experience is, you will have to come up with some real proof,” at that time the roar of 60 foot high waves can be heard and the skeptic gets his proof as they slam into the ship broadsides and sends it to the bottom.

Actually, it didn’t happen that way, the skipper took my word for it and called battle stations. When the hurricane arrived we had all the boilers on line and the ship moving a flank speed right into the winds. The best way to insure our survival. We did survive, but not without casualties and several million dollars damage to the ship.

At which point do skeptics rely on personal experience and which not, if they never do they won’t live long outside their ivory castles.

Oh, yes, the skipper didn’t know and couldn’t interpret radar traces, that was not part of his training. He was trained to lead a team of men into battle, relying on them to know their jobs and do them.

There is a wale of difference between real life and intellectual shadow boxing. I suggest you listen to the person with the experience unless you have a greater experience.

Love
Leroy
**

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1. The adjustment you said you made doesn’t work like that for a surface search radar set. You would need to change to a different type of radar entirely. You wouldn’t have the air search wired into the same station either. Surface radar isn’t effective more then 40-60 miles on average.

2. Let pretend-- for fun, that you did turn on the airsearch radar, ignoring your duties in what should be a busy shipping area and were not immedately reemed out. Wow you can tell a hurricane from a glance at an air search radar, including its wind speed and ETA? Bogus. Not how it works, it ain’t the damn Weather Channel doppler radar you were looking at there you idiot. Even if you tracked the front edge of the storm, you would need a Mo-board solution to figure out speed and point of closest approach. Yeesh, not even close.

3. Its “General Quarters” and an enlisted man would never tell the Captain that. He would talk to Chief or other enlisted man in charge of that CIC watch first. This wasn’t a guided missle. Even if it were “35 minutes away” it would only take a few seconds to turn the ship into the wind.

4. The presence of a hurricane that close in N.O. would be well known (via radio) long before it hit. Also the barometer and leading edge of the storm would hit long before the bad stuff. An experienced crew would see it coming a long way away.

5. “Oh, yes, the skipper didn’t know and couldn’t interpret radar traces, that was not part of his training.” Baa haa haa! The Captain and Officer in Charge of that CIC watch certainly would know about how to interpret radar returns, every ship ship has a repeater or two on the bridge, displaying the SS radar. The officer’s are well trained in its use, and rely on it for Rad-Nav in the very minimun. By the time you’re a Captain you certainly do understand how to interpret radar returns- you have done it for years.

6. The storm is miles away- but the “Skipper” took your word for it. Nobody else in CIC was qualified to confirm your amazing bit of radar analysis. :rolleyes: “Hmmm, bored Seaman Lekatt says by looking at the air search radar, that a hurricane is coming- I better do as he says, after all he saved us from those sea monsters”.

The hole gets deeper:

Skeptics will tell you they don’t count because of blah, blah, and blah, but believe their know all about the workings of 1950 Naval radar.

The fifties radar with doppler ability? Please. Hell the unit you were “working on” :dubious: is not much different then the SPS-10 I had to use while I was in. I certainly wasn’t tracking any hurricanes on it- maybe rain fronts. And then only its general location, not wind speed and point of closest approach and time by glancing at the screen.

I noticed in the linked thread that your bio page somehow omit’s any mention at all of your Navy service while carefully accounting for your entire life. Here is the link you stupidly provided yourself.

http://ndeweb.com/Person.htm

Born in Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA on September 14, 1937. Graduated from High School in 1955 with a Vocational Certification in Printing. Thought at this time my future was well planned.
Held several positions in the Printing Industry until I was hired, in 1959, by a typesetting company. This employment would last 31 years. I began as a hot metal Linotype Operator and progressed to President and half-owner of the Company. Over the years many, many changes occurred and I learned the new technology by the hands-on method.

I don’t take kindly to those who lie about serving in the military, especially just to make a stupid point regarding near death experences. Asshole.

:mad:

[Jonno]

*Originally posted by lekatt *
**I prefer to remain a free thinker, interested in proof. This is no proof in evolution or the bible creation story. But there is proof in the spirituality of man. **

The only proof lekatt is interested in is his own personal experience and his interpretation of that experience. Your personal experience doesn’t count unless it matches his exactly. He’s willingly and actively deaf, dumb and blind to anything that doesn’t originate from within his own mind.

In other words, he ain’t worth the effort guys.

[Q.E.D]

I wasn’t aware that science was a close-minded institution. There may be close-minded scientists, just as there are close-minded theologians, but on the whole, science is perfectly open-minded. Science not only can and does change, and sometimes rapidly, but it is required to do so in the face of new evidence, something no church has ever done.

Anyway, I just wanted to make that point.

[PatriotX]

thanX elf6c.
I’d wonered about the details of the story but lacked the knowledge to evaluate it.

[PatriotX]

Milum?

[elf6c]

Lekkat’s weak reply:

SimonX visited my site and saw the page of background material there. Since it didn’t contain any mention on my Navy enlistment, he concluded that I was lying. The story I told of the hurricane was true, it was used to illustrate a point. He proceded in his personal attacks throughout the thread and through every thread I have posted in since. Even a moderator or two joined in. I was in the Navy and the Willett was a training ship I was on for different periods of time. My personal life has nothing to do with this board except for the usual personal attacks the skeptics give to spiritual posters. They have no proof of anything they attack, and no proof that evolution is real. Let me repeat that, there has been no proof of evolution given on this board.

See its a conspiracy against him. I just forgot he was in the Vany when doing his bio. :dubious:

My Google search found no meantion of the Hurricane, deaths and massive damage he mentioned-- anyone have any more luck?

Further, the history of the ship strangely omits it too.

http://www.hazegray.org/danfs/escorts/de354.txt

For the section on the fifties:

During the Korean War, KENNETH M. WILLETT

recommissioned 25 May 1951 at San Diego, Lt. Comdr. E. N.

Weatherly in command. After shakedown along the California

coast, she departed San Diego 4 September and steamed via

the Panama Canal en route to New Orleans, where she arrived

18 September for duty as a Naval Reserve training ship.

Assigned to the 8th Naval District, she departed 5 November

on a Naval Reserve cruise to San Juan, P.R. From then until

16 October 1958, she made 63 training cruises that carried

her from New Orleans to South America, Canada, the eastern

seaboard of the United States and throughout the Caribbean.

During this time she rendered vitally important service,

making certain that men of the Naval Reserve remained

qualified to serve on a moment’s notice to guard the

nation’s security on the high seas.
Upon her arrival from Havana, Cuba, 16 October 1958,

KENNETH M. WILLETT completed her final training cruise. She

departed New Orleans 30 November, arriving Orange, Tex., the

following day. She then operated out of Orange until

decommissioning 26 February 1959.

I again invited Lekkat to the Pit to tell his side of the story.

[athelas]

> “Science” has high priests?

Figurative language doesn’t exist?

[elf6c]

Actually that’s “He just forgot he was in the Navy when doing his bio.” Sorry.

[blowero]

Allow me to apologise Leroy, for the wolf pack mentality of some of the posters of this thread. They smelled blood when you said that 800,000 americans died in World War II. You, I think were wrong. But then, five of the most bloodthiristy surounded you and called you a liar and began parsing your words like a battery of lawyers with their fees in contingecy.

I see Milum’s at it again. Brave Milum, defender of the downtrodden.:rolleyes: You sure like those dog-pack analogies, don’t you?

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=178605

But something in my make up makes me want to get a stick when I see a pack of fun-loving dogs attacking a flea bitten cur. Not, of course, that Mr. December is a flea-bitten cur. Besides, I believe that Mr. December can easily handle a mob of fun-loving dogs.

Some people get ganged-up on because they deserve it.

[cheddarsnax]

Milum sez:
I sorry SimonX thought it necessary to pry, but I note that you did not say that you served on the “Willett” only that you visisted the memorial often.

Now, is it just me, or did Leroy make it very damn clear in his post that he served on the Willett? Here’s the relevant portion:

This is my understanding of the war. When I was in the Navy, I was on the USS Willett, there was a memorial on the ship with pictures and the names of the sailors who died when the ship was hit by a Japanese suicide bomber. I visited it often.

“When I was in the Navy”
He was in the Navy!

“I was on the USS Willett”
He was on the USS Willett in the navy!

From these statements, Milum has concluded that Leroy did not claim to have served on the Willett.

Did I miss something?

[friedo]

*Originally posted by Q.E.D. *
Science not only can and does change, and sometimes rapidly, but it is required to do so in the face of new evidence, something no church has ever done.

Just a second there, chief. Churches can and do change in the face of scientific evidence. The screaming fundies might not, but mainstream churches such as the Roman Catholic Church and Judaism and so forth are perfectly comfortable with such radical notions like heliocentricity and evolution.

[BoBettie]

I would like to take this opportunity to say:

I hate you for getting the song “In the Navy” going through my head. CURSE YOU ALL.

[blowero]

*Originally posted by friedo *
**Just a second there, chief. Churches can and do change in the face of scientific evidence. The screaming fundies might not, but mainstream churches such as the Roman Catholic Church and Judaism and so forth are perfectly comfortable with such radical notions like heliocentricity and evolution. **

Yeah, give 'em a few hundred years and they usually come around.