Erek, you are in dire need of some meds, man. Seriously! You are not seeing the world through rational eyes.
And furthermore, Erek, my man…if you have a lot of sympathy for people who go around killing innocent people who have nothing to do with terrorist grievances, than I retract my statement about you needing meds. The more wacked out you are, the better for the rest of the world to see you for the crackpot you are.
He is a stupid little monkey, isn’t he?
So, according to our stupid little monkey:
I would say a terrorist sympathizer is one who, while not directly engaged in terrorist training or activity, joins up with and/or aids terrorists in attacks and/or fighting against terrorist enemies.
And there’s tens of thousands of them.
Seems to me there would be a London, Madrid, or Bali every day. But there isn’t. Why is that?
Go ahead and give me the predictable answer so I or anyone else with both a memory and a brain can slap it down.
Or you could just accept that you’re such a complete BushBot that you believe his Divine Infallibility has permeated yourself as well.
-Joe, and hundreds of billions were killed in Vietnam…
I don’t think it’s ABOUT rationality–if you feel you’re being oppressed by someone, it’s not going to matter to you why the “oppressor” thinks you’re irrational.
Perhaps instead of dismissing his complaint (And admittedly, he does get out there), you could examine the roots of his displeasure and work out a compromise with him and those like him before they decide that violence is the only voice they have left? (in his case, all he wants is drug laws that don’t make drugs a crime–I expect he’d be happy with treating drugs similar to alcohol often is by simply increasing sentences of those who commit other crimes while intoxicated. Too bad the middle-east extremists aren’t so easy to figure out.)
I’m not saying that negotiation is always POSSIBLE. I’m just saying that actually listening to the sympathizers who aren’t yet violent but approve of the violence, in an effort to change their minds with compromise, is preferable to lumping them in the same category as those actually killing people.
Some of these folks DO have legit gripes. Even more of them THINK they have legit gripes due to lots of propoganda going back to the turn of the century or longer.
Nah man, I was disappointed to hear that the DC sniper was capping pedestrians and not politicians. I don’t like the killing of innocent people. The thing everyone is trying to point out to you, is that you are supporting the killing of innocent people on the other side out of some specious idea of “terrorist sympathy”.
However, I do understand Bin Laden’s methods. He was working with the CIA in the 80s. He was from a wealthy family, and he understood that America broke the Soviet Union by trashing their economy. So his tactics are centered around trashing the American economy, that’s why the planes hit the New York financial district. He hit the single target that could cause the most economic damage to the United States possible.
It’s war, and I understand war. I think both sides are fucking ludicrous, and that’s what seperates me from you. Remember, I said I was pissed off about all the oppression of innocent people from putting them in jail for victimless crimes to killing Iraqis indiscriminately with no sense of strategy. The war on terror is working against its stated goals, as it is making the terrorist threat worse. Bin Laden is kicking back making a video once in a while, in the meantime we run around like chickens with our heads cut off doing his work for him, and the president has the lucky support of people like you.
I just said I can understand what would drive people to terrorism. I doubt you’ve ever lived in third world conditions and don’t understand what it’s like to have your house, and the house of everyone you know razed, and have no place to stay and no food. But it’s the war on terror! We’ve gotta do it! They are terrorist sympathizers! They don’t treat women well! Kill them all!
If you’ll recall, what I actually said was, I can understand their motivations, and that sometimes I feel that way too, but that because I had alternatives I wasn’t going to act like that. However, I do know that if an oppressive regime were bulldozing my house, you’d better believe I’d stop trying to change things through the system and would be out killing people with a 30.06. As far as American innocents go, you are proof that there are very few. If you support the war on terror, then you are complicit. It is YOUR FAULT that it’s happening. If you aren’t working to stop it, then you are a terrorist sympathizer for the other side.
I’m simply not so blinded that I can villainize one side without giving the other side it’s due.
Erek
I would assume then that you have no sympathy for the US government?
Zeriel (and mswas, re your last post), you raise good points and they deserve serious and sincere responses. Unfortuately, I have to leave now and don’t have time to give them their due. My apologies, and I’ll try to get back to them later if time permits.
Nah, it’s not so much that I approve of what they are doing. I don’t want me or mine to be killed, and I am on the American side regardless. I just can understand. Like I said, I have SYMPATHY. Like I also said, I have a voice, in fact I have a lot more of a voice than most people in this country do. I’ve got a fairly large network capable of mobilizing thousands of people for various purposes. (Not killing, don’t worry) so as pissed off as I feel about the drug war, I am pretty far from actually carrying out some of my more angry fantasies. My method in this case is to make movies about it or some other thing, and go kill bureaucrats in a movie.
But…as I said, if my oppression ran as deep as it does in the middle-east, I’d definitely be shooting back. Though, I wouldn’t be a suicide bomber, I’d be taking people out after meticulous research. No killing of innocents there.
The thing to realize is that while there are a lot of peopel who agree with me wholeheartedly on the drug war, and I have friends lobbying Washington even, we’re not really listened to. Plenty of politicians agree with us, yet they do nothing. Do you know why they do nothing? Because their ignorant constituents continue to support the drug war, and they are elected to represent those constituents. So largely, my friends getting fucked with by cops, going to jail etc… is your fault if you are supporting the drug war. That’s why they come after civilians. If the government is truly By the people for the people, then the civilians are to blame.
Americans have this amazing ability to hold everyone in society blameless. Can’t kill civilians they are innocent. It’s not the elected officials fault, they are just following the will of the populace. Don’t blame the troops they are just following orders.
I’m tired of people like Starving Artist with their fat overfed suburban attitudes think that they know anything about what it’s like to live in third world conditions and they judge these people. I’ve had a friend thrown through a plate glass window by a cop. He won some money in a settlement over it. I’ve had friends go to jail for selling pot or mushrooms. I’ve seen peace loving hippies who start studying kapoeira because they are tired of being fucked with by redneck cops. I’ve seen videos of raves getting busted by SWAT in full battle gear, heard stories of kids getting beat down to the ground. I have seen clubs get shut down because someone died in the club from an OD. Clubs in the 90s used to have ambulances that would take ODing kids out and dump them on the street because they were afraid to take them to a hospital and get their business shut down. Black and Hispanic people will get twice the sentence for selling drugs that I would if they were caught with a pound of marijuana.
I have a friend who scammed a trip off of Birthright Israel in order to smuggle himself into the West Bank. He told me that the Israelis come in there daily and hose down the crowds with rubber bullets. He said that the Palestinians were nice to him, and even grateful because he was doing EMT work for them. He had Hamas put a gun to his head because he ended up at a Hamas wedding by accident. He said that the activists wear orange flak jackets in order to not get shot at by the IDF, but that the IDF targets the orange flak vests, so they stopped wearing them. He told me that Hamas doesn’t teach them to hate Israel, they teach the kids to read and write. The rubber bullets hitting them in the face is enough to teach them to hate Israel.
The truth of the matter is that WE are the oppressor, not them. Maybe if they had the Caliphate the roles would be reversed, but right now they aren’t. The truth of the matter is, we are the richest people in the world constantly putting down the poorest people in the world, whether it be in the Middle East, or in the Projects of Brooklyn.
And to tell you the truth, I am sick of hearing Americans talk about terrorism. Most people in New York that I know feel that our policies are increasing the terrorist threat. And guess what, the people that are gonna get hit by terrorism all live in New York. They don’t live in bumblefuck wherever. The people who are most gung ho for the war on terror live in areas that aren’t ever going to get hit by the war on terror. I’ve seen MPs in the subway station, random bag searches. In the news there have been double decker buses unloaded and tourists face down on the ground with rifles in their back because of an anonymous tip that there was a bomb on that bus. There wasn’t. I’ve been in Grand Central Station when there was a bomb scare, I hightailed it out of there only to have one of the Men in Black wink at me as they flew by in their Suburban.
It’s not like most of the people in this country have any clue what’s going on day to day. They go to work in a cubicle, they come home and watch survivor. They relate to comediennes that are concerned whether or not men adjust their cock in public. They have no sense of reality. Then I come along talk about shit that goes on, on a daily basis, and I get marginalized, told I’m irrational when this shit is going down all the fucking time. I guarantee you if I walked across the street to the projects and started talking to the kids playing basketball, that they wouldn’t think I was irrational. I know, because of experience, because I’ve talked to kids about it. I’ve been strip searched in the street without probable cause, my friend has photographs of cops beating a man at a protest because we were three feet away. I saw a friend of mine getting beaten with a mag lite.
When I was a kid, my step-mother would call the cops in order to fuck with me. I had a redneck cop tell me that she was allowed to hit me with a telephone because she was my mother. I was told not to fuck with the cops because the cops were the biggest gang in the world.
Starving Artist
Don’t tell me I’m irrational from the safety of your sheltered little existance. You’re pointing the finger at people who are being seriously oppressed and judging them for shit you know nothing about. Try living in the desert where it’s hard enough to survive because of the climate, and then have some foreign country that has more oil than you do, more minerals than you do, more water than you do, and more money than you do, come and take what little of value your country has just so they can keep gasoline beneath $ 3 a gallon.
Again, please learn what the words “empathy” and “sympathy” means. I feel sorry for them, I can understand where they are coming from. That’s a far cry from running out to join them, you fucking dipshit.
Erek
(Oh by the way, I don’t feel that seriously oppressed. If I got arrested on drug charges i could probably get them dropped because I’m an upwardly mobile white boy. I’m just tired of living in a world where it happens to anybody.)
Starving Artist
Based on your last post, I apologize for calling you a dipshit.
As I said, I had a friend who gave financial support to the IRA.
We have someone in this very thread who is a terrorist sympathizer (in the most literal sense of the term).
Which one deserves a bullet?
I’d really like our resident SA crapthrower to answer.
-Joe
bin Laden himself seems to have included social policy in the US in his list of reasons for attacking us:
There’s a lot of other stuff, too, but since you asked…
Regards,
Shodan
No one is questioning that bin Laden has a distaste for our behavior, and that it is probably shared by many people. The question is, would their distaste for our behavior on the other side of the planet be enough to convince them to blow themselves up to kill us, if we weren’t stealing their oil and mowing them down with machine guns?
Erek
Wrong. He specifically included social policy in the list of things he doesn’t like about us. There’s a difference.
He’s answering two questions:
You posted the answers to question two.
For those who don’t feel like clicking on the link, here’s an abridged version of the answers to #1:
Thanks for playing.
You’d figure that this would be easy for the conservatives on this board to grasp, considering all the two-stepping they have to do to justify continuing to vote for Republicans while despising some of the more odious planks of the platform.
Nope.
Social policy is in the list of things he is “calling us to”, as he states. If we refuse this call, he says:
IOW, “do this (plus a lot of other horseshit), or I will kill you”.
Exactly as I said.
So, to recap[ul][li]bin Laden includes the Crusades among the things that piss him off about the West, []he and his ilk (may Allah reward them as they deserve) do, in fact, “hate us for our freedom” (where freedom = not imposing sharia law, allowing women to vote and not wear burkhas, etc.), and []gay rights, the sale of alcohol, the modern stock ownership economy, etc., etc., were among the reasons he attacked us.[/ul][/li]
Regards,
Shodan
Nope yourself.
He didn’t say “I will kill you.” He said “You will lose.” Because God’s his co-pilot and all that shit. Onward Muslim soldiers.
Try again. Again.
Nah, too much like trying to teach a pig to sing. You will just make something else up.
Regards,
Shodan
Are you accusing me of lying, dipshit?
Amazing - he can be taught.
Actually, it’s more on the order of “deliberate stupidity”.
Regards,
Shodan
Taught what? That huffing airplane glue is a bad idea? Thanks, sensei, but I didn’t need your example to figure it out.
Cowards.