"Mixed" marriage - which race is more disapproving?

Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share
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Just to clarify this, you hate the fact that they shoved money at you and had bald heads? Mmmkay. So evidently, you were dancing for your own personal enjoyment and NOT to make a living?

Also, you stated that you hate “them” for ignoring the Hispanic and Black dancers? So, YOU’RE allowed to be prejudiced to the point of near-retardation, but the customers can’t have a racial preference? I mean, let’s face it, rocket scientist - these guys went to your club to be turned on. It makes more sense that they’d want to tip the dancers that they found physically attractive for whatever reason. I doubt they were tipping you based on the sheer force of your magetic personality. YOU, on the other hand, must have been trying to make money. How on earth can you justify it in your tiny pea-brain to get pissed off about the color of the person that gives it to you? Especially when you also stated

Wow, looks like anyone that isn’t white just can’t win with you, huh?

I don’t know about that, sweetie. Captain Ed might still be lurking around.

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Umm, to the poster who stated that topless dancers are dumb might just want to ask OPALCAT. She was a topless dancer and she doesn’t exactly sound dumb to me.

Personally, I dated a couple of topless dancers who were pretty damn smart and made like three times my daily pay in something like 6 or 8 hours!! NOT on their backs in cars or beds either.

I don’t believe in segregation and I do believe in the mixing of the races but for personal reasons, I will not date some races because I don’t like the way they look and I don’t like the way they act in general. However, I will not discourage anyone from dating who they choose nor will I cause trouble for any mixed couple of any race.

Since humans can intermarry and breed, that stands to indicate that we are all one species and therefore it is correct to intermingle. Species who might intermingle but not be able to breed a viable offspring – like a mule – are a clear indication that they are not meant to be together.

Currently we’re running on hatreds and bigotry handed down to us over a couple of hundred years, which is causing problems on all sides of the fence with race and religion. Things are getting better, but probably they won’t smooth out for a couple more generations, at least in race. The religious part I think might take longer. In that sector we have to weed out the ‘fake’ holy ones who are in it for power and greed only and the fanatics who feel that their interpretation of any holy scripture is the ONLY WAY and put in genuine believers and open minded people of all religions.

White ministers refused to accept Black parishioners for ages and it’s known that in the Catholic Church, in the Vatican, a Bishop was very sympathetic to the NAZI cause and felt it would help the church. (Some Christians, huh?) Then look at the powerful political religious leaders today who control their nations and feel that slaughtering anyone who does not believe as they say is just fine.

I’ve seen some beautiful ‘crossbreeds’ coming out of mixed marriages and figure that in a couple of thousand years, there will be only one NEW race made up of all of the others.

What? Me worry?’

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Thanks for the sentiment, but anyone who refers to my kids as “crossbreeds” to my face will quickly be in need of some emergency orthodontal work.

DHR

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Doghouse, I second that!
Thank you, Alpha and Valerie, for expressing what I was way too upset to state coherently.

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Now, now, Doghouse & SeaDiver. Rainbowcsr did put “crossbreed” in quotes, implying irony, So let’s give him the benefit of the doubt. But I thank you all for responding to a topic that was fast turning into a referendum on exotic dancing. I still hope to hear more from you on what your experiences of being in a multi-racial union have been. As you can see from my OP, we ourselves have gotten off quite lightly (the most heat I’ve taken for my marriage has come from my wife herself, and not because I’m White, but because I snore). My father-in-law raised my wife as a bouncing expatriate to avoid bigotry in the 60’s, and it only served to give her a rootless sense of her childhood. Wherever we’ve lived as a couple, whenever the issue comes up in conversation (as in the barbershop I described in OP), people won’t address it, and I never know why. Are they silently censorious, like when we lived in redneck Nevada? Or are they thinking, but too reserved to say “hey, were cool here, so it’s a non-issue” like people here are in the Pacific Northwest, where they put umbrella stands in the public toilet stalls so the locals can take the sticks out of their asses while they defecate. Either way, the silent treatment makes it easier for me to believe Blacks who insist on the existence of covert racism long after the era of Jim Crow

Your deep sea diving suit is ready, me brave lad.

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Slithy and Rainbow - I apologize if I failed to register the irony. Please understand that it is a comment I have heard before, with rather derrogatory undertones.

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I guess it depends in part on whose disapproval meter (or dancers) you’re using. A Catholic/Protestant pairing might get some tongues wagging, but would pale in comparison to the way other tongues might react to a Hutu/Tutsi coupling.

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** Oh, SNAP! Don’t give me all of that sanctimonious garbage.**

In answer to a statement from LADYBREATHER, sweetie, I’ve an IQ, last checked at the University of Florida, of 132. I currently hold an AA degree in humanities, graduated high school with As and Bs, and stripped as a way to make a lot of money fast. Plus, I enjoyed it. It was exciting and it’s nice to have about 500 guys wanting you every week. Flattering. On slow days I made about $400 for 6 or 8 hours. On good days I made about $800 to $1,000.

What do you earn, honey? No, I didn’t sell my ass either. Not all strippers do, you know.

Valerieblaise

No, Toots, it’s just that while most guys of other colors were tipping us, most of the Black men were trying to entice us into sex with them by flashing wads of money. Funny thing though, I knew several of the Black guys who were throwing around $50 hadn’t paid child support in a year or so, had no known legal means of support and were living with either Asian or White girls. Sure I took their money, but nothing else.

Most white girls I knew who went with Black men eventually got treated like shit by them. I still don’t know why it is that a cute white girl dates a Black guy and if she lasts over 6 months, she starts talking like him, acting Black and starts getting BIG. He’ll have a baby by her, or two, but rarely marry her. In the meantime, while she sits at home with the kids and works a part time job, Big Black Daddy Stud is out with da homeys, struttin’ wit da Brothaz, spending his cash on other ass and braggin’ 'bout his white piece of tail on the street.

Mexicans don’t do all that, but the beat the shit out of their women without a second thought, have this MACHO thing where they got to control the little lady and, if she don’t speak Spanish, they’ve got no problem jabbering away with their friends in front of her in a language she can’t understand. When they got money, it goes into threads for themselves and into their car and not much for the white wife at home. Their stupid as hell code of ‘honor’ means that they hate to loose face to anyone and will get themselves killed over stupid things with no consideration for the ones they leave behind.

Hell, Asian guys treat white women better than Black or Mexican men, though they get kind of funny also, especially if they’re just off of the boat. Patriarchal Society back in Taiwan, Vietnam, Korea or Japan, you know.

Black society is MUCH different from most societies in the world, in that they not only seem to feed on hatred of White people, but they feed on each other like parasites. If a Black person gets along with White and climbs the ladder to economic freedom, then they’re ‘Uncle Toms’, White Ass Kissers,’ ‘traitors to the Brothaz’ and so on. If they rise to economic power and status in their own community, then they ‘feedin’ offa da Black Folks’, ‘gettin’ too uppity for they own good’ and there’s about a dozen Black people just waiting to pull the high climbing Brotha down off of his or her high ladder.

Even the Mex don’t do that, though they seem to think that here in the States they can live under the same traditions and rules that they did in Mexico and the fact that they cannot never seems to sink in. Plus, I’ve know several wetbacks who, when the law got on their asses, abandoned their wives and kids and ran like hell across the border into Mexico to avoid jail.

Mixed relationships between White women, Black and Mex men are just not very feasible. There seems to be a major culture clash going on that’s going to take ages to correct itself.

Now, with Blacks, I have noticed that this type of stuff takes place where there are high densities of Blacks, but in states where they thin out or there are no set Black sections or ghettos, it diminishes dramatically. I mean, I’ve met Black people from England who are GREAT! They don’t even SOUND LIKE BLACKS! England does not have a high density population of Blacks and I don’t think they have any Mex at all.

I mean, here, Black people even squabble over COLOR levels in themselves. Blackest Blacks (AFRICAN BLACK as they say dislike lighter hued Blacks. Light skinned or olive colored Blacks dislike Black Blacks and Ebony Blacks. Now, I don’t know what you would politely term a child of a mixed marriage if you resent the term crossbreed, but Blacks don’t even much care for them!

Hey, like it or not, that’s how I feel. I’ve had a lot of experience with many types of people in the many jobs I’ve had, but those two are the worst. By the way, a strip club is NOT a microcosm of humanity. The ones I worked in ranged from small and trashy to big and fine and the customers ranged from the average Joe Working Stiff to bankers, doctors, shrinks, businessmen and politicians.

By the way, I invested while I danced. I have a portfolio now that means I could retire right now and live on a $30,000 a year income from the interest. Can you do that, sweeties? I drive a Lexus and I’ve a nice medium sized SUV sitting in my driveway and my home is worth about $200,000 now. I’m not even 40. I work every day and I get to go out and play a lot.

Can you? I’m speculating on buying some wooded acres in Virginia and having one of those prefabricated log houses put on it as a winter and vacation home.

I owe it all to my brains and to my several years of dancing which gave me my financial start. :smiley: :smiley:

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Nightgirl, the fact remains that what you experienced is representative of ONLY the place you live in, not everywhere like you imply. I know MANY black guys and Mexican guys who do not cheat on their women, who do not mistreat them, and who aren’t the scumbags like you make them out to be (oh and many have girlfriends who arent the same race as they are also).

I’m surprised that such an “intelligent” and “smart” person like yourself has so many bigoted, prejudiced ideas on people she only knows a very small fraction of. I bet you’re the type to believe everything you’re told, right (oh wait, she is, just read her replies on the “Why are Americans So Disliked Worldwide?” thread in GD’s)?
Oh, and your $30,000 a year income and $200,000 house makes you about lower middle class in Coastal California. You aren’t the hot shit you think you are. We’d think you were silly running around with that attitude you have about your income and house, since most people’s income and house prices here have yours beat by a mile.

Hell, you wouldn’t hardly be able to afford that lexus and SUV out here either. I might have been just slightly impressed if you made $60,000 a year, and owned a $400,000 dollar house (well, not really).

Sorry to hi-jack the thread, Slithy Tove, but someone (nightgirl cough cough) is a little too big for her britches here.

It’s worth the risk of burning, to have a second chance…

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I am a big fan of mixing the old gene pool. A standard American Heinz myself I happened to marry and reproduce with another variety of the same. My kid covers the ethinic run from Asian to North African to Anglo Saxon and a more beautiful child you’ve never seen (okay, so I have a mommy slant here) and although we’ve never had any trouble, some of my friends have.

A friend of Asian ethnicity married a gentleman of anglo same and the pair travelled extensively - she said both overt and covert prejudice was more pronounced in the west and almost nonexistant in the north east in her experience. Whereas my (black) college roomate said she found all prejudice to be more pronounced with in her own ethnic group than without - even to the extent of ‘light skinned’ vs ‘dark skinned’. She got a lot of grief when she married a very dark skinned man.

Race in my opinion is a misnomer - the race is human, the rest is just icing.
Cultural differences are a whole other kettle of fish.

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Well, first of all, it’s VERY true that your point of view on this subject is dependent upon how you were raised, and where you live and stuff. I work in a deparment store, and I’m telling you, I HATE waiting on most Mexican/Hispanic customers. It’s impossible to say how many Mexican men come into the store and leer at the salesgirls. I had a guy follow me around the department once, and it totally bugged me out. I’m also blonde-haired, blue-eyed, and light skinned. And I honestly feel that some (not too many) black customers give me an attitude because of how I look.

As for interracial dating, I don’t care who you are, if the person you love happens to be a different race than you are, more power to you. And whether a child is of mixed-race or not, all that should matter is that they have two loving parents (I feel the same way about same-sex parents, as long as they love and take care of their kids, that’s good). I wouldn’t date outside my race for personal reasons (not just because of what I said before), but I don’t have a problem with anyone who does. In my opinion, black women have a bigger problem with black men dating white women than any other mixed relationships. Black women seem to think that when a black man dates a white woman, he is saying that a black woman is not good enough.

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GUYSHYGIRL – (Which, by the way, I nominate for Most Ironic Screen Name)

Manny people who discover that you are so blatantly, illogically, and openly prejudiced will then conclude that you are also, not to put to fine a point on it, stupid. Racism is grounded in ignorance and stereotypes that do not withstand the light of day or the exercise of rational inquiry. To be frank, you spout this crap and you sound dumb. Now, you can make groundless assumptions about me if you want based on this opinion, but I guess you’d have to know my color first, wouldn’t you?

Jodi

Fiat Justitia

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I was extremely hurt by some of the things that were said in this thread last night. I kept thinking about the Mexican men in my circle of family and friends, who are the complete opposite of the stereotypes that were presented. These men love and respect their wives, take pride in taking good care of their families, and will do anything in their power to help out a friend. They would never even THINK about carrying a weapon or starting a fight. They might try to defend someone who was being harrassed, but I would hardly classify that as “starting sh*t”.

Sorry to take the hijack even further - please understand how much this stung.

Doobieous- my fellow Californian, thank you for those good points!

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Seadiver, FWIW NightGirl has managed to say something offensive about almost every ethnic and national group you care to mention over the past few days, between here and the “Why are Americans so disliked …?” thread in Great Debates. It’s not that she dislikes Black or Mexican men in particular, she seems to hate everybody.

Except for white, American strippers. Strange …

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Thanks, I just thought someone should put nightgirl back into her place, where she belongs. She thought she could seem like she was all that, so I just had to prove her wrong. Anyway, i was saddened too by nightgirl’s ignorantly prejudiced views she holds. But, i really do pity her. Too bad she can’t see farther than her own little world.

It’s worth the risk of burning, to have a second chance…

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I don’t know how you want to define “race” here, but my mother is Irish American (was Catholic) and my father is Jewish (Ashkenazi). Heh. Fun for both sides of the family. It might be because my mom was the second of her sisters to marry a Jew (the other one converted, too, something my mom didn’t do), but I don’t think that her parents minded all that much. I think they were more disappointed with the fact that she was a hippie atheist by that time, although I don’t think there was ever a big problem between my mom and her parents. However…my bubbe (grandma, for the Yiddish-impaired) was not so happy with my dad’s choice. She and my mom did not get along for years. It’s kind of funny, considering that my dad was brought up atheist, with absolutely no sense of a Jewish identity at all, but my bubbe was still upset when he married a gentile.

Someone mentioned that Jews don’t approve of marrying Methodists. Let me inform you, Jews don’t approve of marrying non-Jews at ALL. They call it intermarrying, and frown upon it greatly. More than once, upon learning of my parentage, people would ask me, very worried, “But you want to marry a Jewish guy, right?”

~Kyla

“Anger is what makes America great.”

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I am 100% Irish Cathoic and my ex-husband was a Russian German mix Jew. My family is VERY religious and I figured that they would flip out if they found I was marrying out of my faith. No one said a bad thing about him (until he started treating me badly). I was very surprised to find my family so accepting.

It shouldn’t matter what color, religion, etc. you or your partner is. [corny stuff]Does s/he make me want to be a better person? Does s/he encourage me to be everything I can be (it is assumed you are encouraging towards your partner)? Do I trust him/her completely? Do they trust me? Do they treat me well, with the respect and love I deserve (once again, it is assumed that you are treating your partner that way :))? These are the things you have to look at. If you can answer “yes” to these questions, what else matters?[/corny stuff]
I had quite a bit to say to the new troll, but it’s just not worth my time.

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Doobieous
Big deal! California has a higher cost of living and real estate values than most of the rest of the States, interesting for land which is flowing into the sea, so that’s not a relevant example. Land here sells at $14,000 and acre but in CA, similar land would sell for about $60,000 and up AND still be headed for the Pacific Ocean.

I know quite a bit about various races and I stayed for two years in Texas in Del Rio right smack at the Mexican/American border and if you think I have an attitude about Mexicans, you ought to visit there. Notice I never mentioned American Indians, who are treated like crap in that State and New Mexico, among others.

To the poster who claimed I dislike all races, well not exactly. Just Black and Mex. I don’t have much in the way of gripes about the Mexican women either. Just the guys.

I’m going the clarify something, which is not the same as justifying it, because I don’t feel a real big need to do so. I don’t belong to nor support any antiracial group like the KKK, nor any radical seperationist organization like skinheads. My opinions are based on my own experiences and while there are good and bad in all races, the ones I’ve mentioned seem to have more bad than most.

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Thanks for the insight into myself jodih. You can tell stupid I am from my opinion on one subject? Just because my experiences and opinions are different from yours? Not everybody can agree on everything. I’m sorry if anybody was offended or bothered by my post earlier. That’s just how I feel.