Mom's "Apology" To Friends Without Kids

Me: 45 years old, married, no kids but we are working on our first. Not pregnant yet but doing all the required activities to complete the task. So okay, half-way through the 3rd page I gave up reading this thread and decided I should actually watch the video that has the OPs knickers in a twist…

Really? People are offended by this? I thought it was a very lighthearted and funny little video. It wasn’t taking itself seriously, it was very much meant as a humorous way to show what life can be like with young children and managing friendships.

And yes, the mom is totally hot-hot-hot! Sadly for me, that was completely negated by my “awww, she has such cute babies!” reaction which completely over-rode the lizard-brain-mating-reaction to her hotness.

Actually, we live on a bus route that gets plowed pretty much after every single snowfall year round. :stuck_out_tongue:

I’ve been using my vocabulary incorrectly! :o

Last year, the street I live on changed from a private street to a town street. Among other things, this puts us on the town’s snow plow route. And it’s a real snow plow too, not just some guy in a battered pickup with a curved piece of metal on the front! We’re also on Google Street View now, which may or may not be a good thing.

That’s about it. I had kids late in life, so when I was in my 20s & 30s, I had time, but a lot of my friends had kids so they didn’t. Now I have kids in grade school and they have teenagers/young adults, and they have time and I don’t. We’re all still friends, we’re just in different life stages. It’s really not a matter of “if I’m your friend, you’ll make time.” Both my husband and I have put time-consuming hobbies on hold, as well.

That would be why the house sold so fast. :smiley:

If you’re both insistent that the OP posts about this infrequently, then I suggest to you that you should stop acting like whiny little bitches and ignore the 3% of posts the OP makes on this subject. :slight_smile:

Yes, breeders making jokes at the expense of their child-free friends behind their backs (even though it’s not actually behind their backs) is freaking hilarious! Oh, but it’s totally OK because child-free people weren’t supposed to know about it! :rolleyes:

Hey, I’ve got a great idea: let’s start a new thread about what’s wrong with all the visible minorities and laugh and laugh about it, but add into the thread title that their kind shouldn’t oughta look at it, 'cuz it’s not for them and, besides, it’s just some light-hearted fun. :dubious:

That and impeccable housekeeping. :slight_smile:

Are you really, seriously arguing that “You post a lot about X” and “You post about nothing but X” are equivalent to you? And that if someone says “You post a lot about X but not exclusively about X” that they are saying “You post infrequently about X”?
ETA: I don’t even know what to say about the “visible minorities” thing except that you are really looking insane.

You see this video, not merely as “making jokes at the expense” of the child-free, but as akin to racism?

Wow. Just wow. Seriously?

See, the rest of us see it as humour of the self-deprecation variety. The women is light-heartedly exaggerating how stressed she is. Presumably, the intent is a few chuckles from other parents, who know what it is like to be stressed. This is offensive to you now? :confused:

As I said above - Screw. Loose. On subject.

I personally don’t think that pointing out you guys sound nuts (on this subject - no doubt, sensible on all others) makes me a “whiny little bitch” - think of it more as a public service, or a reality check. :smiley: Maybe you are not aware that you are sounding nuts.

Seriously. I will never have kids and don’t want them, but I can’t see why anyone would even notice that video, let alone be angry at it. It just seems insane.

Ok, I’m not necessarily agreeing with the “one trick pony” claim, but the initial response (to me, at least) read that the OP will find a way to bitch about children in almost any thread. I’m not saying that “You post a lot about X” and “You post about nothing but X” are equivalent, but I expected OP to have a long and storied history of interjecting her thoughts on the joys of childlessness and the woes of raising kids to topics ranging from car maintenance to “Game of Thrones.” Perhaps the posts that OP has made in her 3% were memorable enough to make a lasting impression that influences recollections of her other unrelated posts (and that does look to be the case). This looks to be a matter that was blown out of proportion due to hyperbole.

And yeah, I’m not gonna touch the “visible minorities” thing.

For the topic at hand, I haven’t seen the video, but reading a variety of summaries of the content, it does sound like it is tongue-in-cheek. I’m really not sure how people are making the leap to this being a legitimate account / belief of the blogger. People make caricatures all the time, and just because it appears to be steeped in reality doesn’t mean that it necessarily is true, much like Stephen Colbert is not the hard-nosed conservative he portrays, and how “The Office” did not, in fact, portray the daily dealings of a paper company in Scranton, PA.

Now, this is coming from a gay 30’s single male who, on Sunday, is going to a birthday party for the 5 y/o daughter of two close friends. She calls me Uncle [Calatin] and I’d do almost anything for the kid. A few weeks after she was born, the parents brought her to a weekly dinner at a place that had cheap margaritas. We all knew that the dynamic was going to change, and, true to form, they left early and while they were focused on her, they were also able to maintain conversations. This is their first (and only) kid to date, so if anything, I’d expect them to err on the side of seclusion / over-protection. They make a point to attempt to include me in various events - birthday parties, dinners, and I even spent this past New Year’s Eve with them and some others. We had some drinks early in the evening, but once they put her to bed, we cut loose a little more. There were a few months where we would only communicate by phone or email, but I often received invites for gatherings, or if they just wanted me to come over so the four of us could hang out.

That being said, another married couple (who are mutual friends) ended up having twins, and while they were quite active before she gave birth, once the two were born, those friends fell off of the map almost entirely. He traveled a lot for work, though, leaving her to manage both kids alone, for days at a time, so it is completely understandable.

TL;DR - IMHO, it’s doable if all parties make an effort. And people around here really need to lighten up and not be so quick to take offense.

Your friends sound awesome - I have tried to include mine, as well.

My anecdote is this - I’m a straight guy, long-time married to one wonderful woman; my best friend since high school is another wonderful woman - this has lead to some strain (not of the sort you would expect - my wife is not jealous, she knows us - but the two have very different personalities that clash on certain issues). When we had our kid, I worried about my relationship with my friend - but so far, it has worked out: we made my friend the kid’s god-mother, which gives her some family status in the kid’s life.

I am committing the extreme sin of posting without having really read beyond the first couple of pages, so possibly this has been mentioned already:

Don’t Blame Your Kids; You’re Just a Crappy Friend

Often this chick’s take is too aggressively… no, contentiously feminist for me, but I kind of like this piece.

The first paragraph should tell you her stance, but it’s an interesting read anyway:

Enjoy :stuck_out_tongue:

Only if you are a bitch.

Oops, too late! :smiley:

The person below is a grand example of the difference between how our parents raised us and how children are being raised now …

Parents like this are raising Spesul Snowflakes, not functioning members of society. Anyone who can only go to one party a year AND rushes thru that one is not parenting their kids, they are smothering them. Good parents have other interests outside their kids, they are diverse, social and able to leave little Bayleigh and Brandon for more often than once a year.

Um, that would be Cat Whisperer - she is the OP here.

And yet, you cannot answer the question at all. If you see a friend struggling to cope with the demands of something other than children, do you PITCH IN? Do you have no problem with your friends finding something other than children more interesting than you? Do you feel it’s “normal” for someone to essentially disappear out of your life unless you make the effort for any reason other than children?

Because that is the issue here. Society is expected to help parents, especially those with young children, but no other highly personal and selfish choice gets that sort of support, even tho we certainly don’t need any more children.

Yes, yes, and yes again. I’m not the person you asked, but I feel qualified to answer this because I’m not an emotionally stunted person who lacks the tiny spark of imagination required to conceive of a situation with no children involved where I’d gladly help a friend with his or her troubles.

Well, none like you, anyway. Good on you for not breeding.

By the time I chime in everyone has already said everything worth saying, but…

I talk about my kid constantly, I just love him, and he really and truly is the most interesting thing in my world. A big part of that is about sharing with my friends the transition into parenthood, because it’s freaking mindblowing. So it’s what you talk about, because it’s what you think about. Especially when the kid is all young and everything is happening for the first time. My friends with kids, we do it together.

My best friend and her husband are child-free by choice. She complains sometimes when I bring my son along on outings, but she complains when I have to leave early to get him from a babysitter, and she complains when I decline invitations too. Now, to be fair, my best friend complains about pretty much everything- that’s just how she is. But my point is, I can understand where the lady is coming from when she tries to express how hard it all is, because sometimes you feel a little defensive about what you perceive as disappointing and neglecting your friends, when you don’t mean or want to.

Framing in the way she does, though- in a mock apology, and breaking things down for her friends “without”, so they can understand it… well, it’s kind of smug and patronizing. Her tone is annoying too. I could see where it would piss someone off, and merit a thumbs down.

I don’t think it’s at the level of horrible person, and pit-worthy, though.

What? No other highly personal choice anticipates accommodation and support from the community of friends? What world do you live in?

I was all but housebound for several years as a caregiver, a highly personal choice that consumed almost all my time for over five years. My friends and family were very supportive and accommodating of my inabilities to get away, or go out. And even when I did I was often still consumed with worry.

Yet my friendships came through intact. Lots of highly personal choices are indeed subject to support and understanding. And yes, often my friends came over and lent a hand while they were here.

That was a good read - thanks.

Yes, you fucking nutbar. The fact that you even asked says everything anyone ever needed to know about you.

Cat Whisperer, I felt bad for coming down hard on you earlier, but I feel way worse for bringing the crazy out of the woodwork to champion your side. Please accept my humblest of apologies for the latter sin.

And I certainly hope you didn’t/don’t either since your ability to understand something you don’t agree with is so poor.

How was it a choice to be a caregiver? Unless you could have afforded pros to do the work and chose not to?

You are the nutbar dear. I love how you all say of COURSE we’d pitch in if a friend decided to do something highly time consuming that wasn’t children, but the only example I get is a caregiver?

As for me asking, it comes from observation. Have a friend whose husband had a stroke and then went downhill quickly. During that time, she fell and broke her hip. I went over several times to do laundry and things like that - one other friend did the same. That’s it, and obviously she didn’t break her hip by choice.

Another friend was involved in a home reno where he was doing most of the work - it went on for almost a year, and for most of that he didn’t have a kitchen. I couldn’t help since I live too far away, and from what I hear there wasn’t much help there either.

Etc. There is a plethora of help out there for parents, both officially and privately. It is the only person choice that gets this sort of attention and expectation. Made a bunch of entitled snowflakes out of people.