I have read that page and lots of other pages like it, but they all “forget” about the fact that NASA destroyed all the plans for the Lunar Module
BTW. I’m feeling quite suckered in right now. But, I will not make accusations. (grin)
Maybe… just maye… because they didn’t think they’d have to deal with conspiracy loons…?
Anyway, I’ve read your report. It’s all the same old tripe, badly rehashed, and just as nonensical as when I first saw it. BTW, the ‘explanation’ of the one picture I could view on your site fails to take into account the reflected light from the lunar surface. The sticker has a different reflective index from the aluminized mylar coating of the LEM.
You have also failed to explain why anyone would go to all that trouble to fake it, and why the Russians didn’t blow the whistle, considering missions to the moon were a propagandistic extension of the very serious Cold War.
This page (from our own Bad Astronomer, and this site should give you a few pointers as to where your assumptions are incorrect.
Finally, I know personally one of the men who has walked on the moon. I would rather you didn’t imply that he (or my father) is a liar.
Merci, et bonsoir.
magicman, let me ask you a question. Do you still have all of your third grade report cards? Why not? Certainly, having your third grade report cards would make it a lot easier to prove to folks that you’ve been through third grade.
But most likely, you just threw them out, because they take up space, they have no practical value, and there’s no reason to doubt you went through third grade anyway.
Now, if four little sheets of paper is too much to bother keeping around, what makes you think that NASA would want to keep an entire warehouse full of obsolete plans, just to prove a point?
Oh wow, i wondered how long it would be before somebody came along and say they know someone who has walked on the moon, well whoopie do, i realyl don’t care, i tried to show you stupid people that the facts aer there and all you have done is throw it back in my face, you don’t stop to look and see that i am not trying to get you to believe the landings were a hoax, but you stupid idiotic people can’t accept that you might be wrong, so you have to keep coming back and having a go at me, i don’t really care, if you know an astronuat, i don’t really care if your dad worked at NASA i don’t really care that you can’t accept what i am trying to tell you, but thats beacuse you don’t stop to consider what i am saying , you are all so set in your ways that you refuse to even consider anything that does not go with your views of the world, i tell you this i am only 14 and some of you seem to be a lot more immature than me.
Fine since we are using examples, say an airline company built a new type of plane, once they had built a few hundred of them and did not plan to build anymore, would they throw the plans away because they did not use them anymore, no they keep them.
And can i just make one point clear, that NASA have not destroyed the plans for the shuttles or the rockets, or the satellites, so why have all records of the Lunar Module (even the ones that don’t belong to NASA) been destroyed, if this was after all the great craft that landed neil armstrong on the moon then surely they deserve a place in a mueseum or something.
Et ille respondens ait: tu dicis.
I’d like to see a cite that proves NASA destroyed all the plans for the Lunar Module.
Then why do you say this in your “report”?
And it ain’t nice to call people stupid. Or liars. Why shouldn’t I tell you I know a moon astronaut? I do. And it’s relevant. I don’t expect you to believe me, but I’ll give you this detail: I lived next door to him in Lake Bluff Drive, El Lago, Houston, TX, from the years 1972 until 1975.
Challenge for you: Skylab was a pretty damn big project. As I already said, there was a warehouse full of specifications. Why don’t you find out if those plans have been destroyed too? I’ll bet you they have.
Alleluia ! I see the light !!
Magicman, you are actually Cecil in disguise, having come to Earth to show us the the way by means of incontravertible truths; and we can but respond with inane, uneducated dribblings.
I am converted to the true path; I will pray for enlightement to shine upon the non-believers. I feel humbled to have been appointed your handmaiden 
Anyone have detailed engineering drawings for a WWII submarine to hand? Come on any country, any class? Maybe someone has them for a F-105 Saber? Anyone have access to plans for any military grade hardware which was withdrawn from service 30 years ago?
I believe the plans that NASA retains are probably useful. Maybe they need them to build another shuttle, or perhaps repair a satellite.
I’ll give a detailed response to each of your points after I get home from work. Untill then, let me just speak to the blueprints that you spoke of.
The Lunar Module was built by Grumman Aerospace Corp., I think it’s they who would keep the blueprints. However; Grumman is a commercial enterprise interested in making a profit. Storing the blueprints for the Lunar Module would require (I’ll get cites in the next post) thousands of cubic feet of storage space. If you were looking at making money, would you store millions of pages of documents you didn’t have to? No, you wouldn’t.
I’m not going to give any snide remarks, I’m just going to disprove each of your points in an attempt to educate you.
magicman, there are a few things you need to know. I suspected before that you were a teenager, but now that we all know, I for one will not be too harsh.
People here have seen all the so-called evidence you refer to, multiple times, and found it, uh, lacking. There’s not a single piece of evidence that we’ve seen that’s worth looking at again. Most of it was come up with by people who are obviously spreading misinformation. Some of it was just that someone didn’t understand what was going on, and chose to shoot off his (figurative) mouth before taking the time to check out the facts.
So if you are aware of some piece of evidence that doesn’t fit these categories, please post it. The bit about the original plans is interesting, but not at all persuasive. I have no trouble believing that plans could have been trashed, although I’m not convinced they were. The lunar module was designed and built by a private company, Grumman, and other pieces were done by other private companies. Private companies usually don’t keep documents that long. Most have rules that documentation older than a certain date must be trashed.
Don’t get insulting here - you’re likely to get yourself banned. An administrator warned a previous poster not insult you - you too must not be insulting. You won’t be insulted, but to get respect, you have to change your attitude. Show an open mind to why you might be mistaken.
I see at you’re web site that you’ve also fallen for a bunch of misinformation having to do with food, but we’ll save that for a later time.
magicman, I didn’t realise how young you are, and I’m feeling a bit guilty for being so harsh.
I just wanted to say: despite what you think, we’re not slagging off your report without having considered its contents. The reason everyone’s reacting so vehemently to it is that most of us have heard everything you’re saying before, and we’ve also seen how it has been proven false. On the weight of evidence and explanation on both sides, we’ve (pretty much universally) decided that the hoax theories are incorrect. Now, you accuse us of being “stuck in [our] own little world oblivious to whats going on around you” - this is incorrect. We have indeed considered the facts of the case with skeptical minds, and come down on the side of “NASA was telling the truth”.
If you haven’t already, I do suggest you read the links you’ve been provided with - they’ll take you, step by step, some of the misinterpretations that the hoaxers have made. Good luck in your quest for the truth!
Oh i am really getting annoyed at this now, i perfectly understand all of your points regarding your plans, and i agree with them, but i would have thought that there would be loads of people who would want to have the plabns ,they could have been auctioned off to make some money, they could have been sold to a museum, i am sure there were plenty that wanted them.
But i am sick and tired of people having a go at me about my report, i have looked at both sides and i was asked to write a report about the hoax for the website, i posted it on here because i thought some people may be interested, i did not know you would start biting my head off, i have said from the start i am not trying to get you believe it was a hoax, i don’t believe it was a hoax, i don’t need to be convinced it happened, i was just trying to raise some interesting points that need to be considered.
And as for the report on the site about what goes into food , that has nothing to do with me, but if you have any issues with the report about food at find the truth then do not hesitate to e-mail the site and raise your views there their e-mail is [EMAIL=findthetruth_online@hotmail.com]findthetruth_online@hotmail.com
I am soon to be writing a report about terrorism for the site, i will be sure to post it to give you something else to get your ignorant little minds working at.
You need to find evidence, rather than speculation. See if you can find out about the Skylab plans, and then come back to us if they are still in existence.
Furthermore, you did set out to convince us it was a hoax - you said so in your report, and I quoted you on it in this thread. Get your story straight.
As for ignorance, well, yes there is some on the SDMB, but there is also collectively far more knowlege, experience, and intelligence than you could hope to shake a stick at. Stop with the insults, magicman.
I look forward to your take on terrorism. I hope you can bring some new perspectives to the issue.
I really do not know any other way to say this, i have said it many times before, but as so many of you still don’t seem to be able to get hold of it, i will say it again, i did not set out to get you all to believe the moon landing was a hoax, the report was written for a site which aims to promote the truth, i wrote the report and it is there for those who want to read it. I do not believe the moon landings were a hoax, i am very interested in space and space exploration.
I am shocked that you tell me there is a lot of knowledge an experience in these message boards, beacuse so far all i’ve seen is people “shoot of their mouths” at me before they have read my report and what i have said on here, if you do like the report take it up with the team that run the site, e-mail them tell them what you think.
And my report about terrorism will be very interesting, but i suppose i will have to gear myself up for another load of ignorant answers and replies.
Clearly, magicman, you didn’t read your own report, where you said:
This is the second time I’ve had to post that for you. That contradicts what you’ve just asserted.
Now please stop calling people ignorant. This is a friendly warning.
Ok i will not call anyone ignorant anymore, but i would have thought that someone with a bit of intelligence like you jiim would realise that if i was writing a report for a site the aims to tell the truth, i am not going to put into my report that i don’t believe all the stuff i just made them read, am i, i wrote the report for the site, what i really believe is another matter.
So you wrote the report at odds to what you actually think? Sorry, this had me confused. I don’t think you framed your question very well.
Ah well. I think I’m starting to understand more what you’re trying to say: you’re being open-minded about the issue, and you want to know what actually did happen to the plans? That’s a very fair question. Perhaps you should start another thread in General Questions simply asking that question, without any opinions attached. Maybe email NASA yourself before you do this, to ask them (don’t forget to ask about other space missions’ blueprints too). Also, let us know where you discovered the information where you said that NASA have repeatedly been asked for the plans.