Mormon married to Muslim - interfaith marriages

Because I seriously doubt that a practicing Muslim family would make an arranged marriage to a Muslim female for a non-Muslim member of that family.

Having extensive discussions about various religions and telling your parents that you are no longer a member of that into which you were born are not the same thing. The issue isn’t does he have a problem with such a self-identification, but does the church have a problem with it.

I hope it all turns out for the best, of course. I am also extremely interested in WSR’s answers to the questions posed in this thread.

If your wife is a practicing muslim and you are a lds member , then I feel sorry for your wife as she will probably feel conflicted knowing her nikah wasnt valid. I dont think its really a what you can provide in this life is while its nice and important etc and you may feel like she is better off with you in terms of opportunities, down to the basic level of just the requirement that you are practicisng islam, said the shahadah, but for her afterlife part is where she will be accountable for her actions according to her religion, it expressly says she and her wali were not allowed to give consent to marry you if you are not a muslim, so thats the only problem I see. I’d say you should be honest with her, your family, her family or whoever assumes you reverted to islam or not or are a lds member, while it is btw you and god whatever you choose to believe in, you should have given her all the facts and let her decide for herself whether you’d be suited for her as a non-muslim hubby… Goodluck! :slight_smile:

It rather did not sound as if he had extensive convos, above all given the context of the arranged marriage. I rather agree with Monty on that, if one knows the context.

As to being comfortable with the self-ident, it really doesn’t matter if you are I are comfortable, it’s the bloody culture and his new wife, who certainly should have a clear idea of what she is walking into.

Regardless, it is what it is, and if it matches the impression left here, well it is fucked. I don’t do well wishing to those I don’t know so I’ll skip the emptuy blather banter.

The OP however should reflect carefully on what appears to be no small degree of self-indulgence.

No it is not - not with other prophets after Mohammad at any rate. According to the interpretation of Islam I believe in, Mohammad was the last prophet of Allah, but by no means the last spiritual guide on this earth.

You will find that accepting the finality of Mohammad as the line of Allah’s prophets is universal. Its what the entire religion is based on! As it says in the Qu’ran:

i.e. Allah has completed the teachings of Judaism and Christianity. This verse was revealled at a place called Ghadir e Khum, during the Prophet’s last pilgrimage from Medina to Mecca, where the Prophet declared his nephew and son-in law, Hazrat Ali as his successor to guide the faithful in the contemporary interpretation of Islam. This is what was meant by completing the favour - establishing a hereditary line of Guides to provide a contemporary interpretation of Islam. Not more Prophets, since that would imply that the last message, the Qu’ran is imperfect, which from the quote above is a contradiction.

The Ahmaddiyya sect of which you speak are a Shia sect, which believe in the finality of Mohammad as a messenger, but not with the finality of Allah’s guidance for the faithful. cite for the Ahmadiyya interpretation

I don’t mean to sound like I’m attacking, but please get things straight before posting. Accepting the finality of Mohammad as the last messenger of Allah is a fundamental tenant of the Muslim faith. Now, saying that there are guides, who are direct desendants of the Prophet and of Hazrat Ali, does not equate to saying that there will be more prophets after Mohammad, rather that Allah has not fogotten his favour, his promise, to provide spiritual guidance to the faithful until Judgement Day.

Well, it’s now Monday and the young lady concerned was due to arrive this past Saturday? What happened?

Yeah, so many questions, so few answers…

Maybe he told her and she killed him! :eek:

Beats me, Bibliovore; however, I think it extremelly unfair of the OP to post what he did–with a timeline–and then not to update the thread with the outcome of the event!

Anyone know?

I’m anxiously waiting for an update too.

Kathy

I’ve emailed him, so I’ll let you guys know if he replies.

I must confess, I am extremely confused by this thread. It’s like walking in on a pair of cattle farmers and hearing them debate about which grows longer feathers: timecubes or Starbucks.

I’m going to walk away and not mention that I know people who are Ukrainian Catholic and muslim who have successful weddings and marriages…

Right, I’ll say this slowly.

A Muslim believes that Mohammad was the final messenger of Allah.

A Catholic does not believe that there were any Prophets after Mohammad.

A Mormon believes that there have been Prophets after Mohammad.

Belief in the finality of of Mohammad in the line of Allah’s messengers is one of the Five Pillars of Islam - a mandatory set of rules that define a Muslim.

Now, can you see a fundamental flaw here in a Muslim marrying a Mormon? A conflict in beliefs for starters. Her sinning every day she is with him…

What I’d like to know is WHY he didn’t tell his wife. He is so blatantly treating her like something less than an equal. He married someone he didn’t know and lied about his religious standing to her (and in fact, is lying to himself about it). It’s obvious to me he has no respect for her or her religion.

He either has incredibly low self-esteem (who else would dupe someone into marrying them?) or he’s incredibly manipulative (the whole religious secret thing coupled with his statements of what a “quirky” and different, never-a-dull-moment kind of guy he is).

Monty, I also wonder if his family is aware. Why would people who are religiously ambiguous even bother with an arranged marriage?

He seems more concerned with the fact that by marrying him, she will have better opportunities and a better life. (Yay him for being her savior?) If she herself is not a devout Muslim or just wants out of where she is (was), , none of this may matter and they could be perfectly happy. If she cares at all about her spiritual background, then she’s in for a world of internal conflict and he is, at best, naive.

I agree with whoever said that this could be a troll thread.

Time will tell on that one Peg, but I think it’s interesting to see that people have now started referring to the OP in the third person rather than addressing their posts to him directly. Anyhoo, for all we know, the wife might not care at all about his religion and might be using him to get her green card…Now wouldn’t that be a turn-out for the books? :slight_smile:

Stranger things have happened, Bibliovore!

Bibliovore: There’s also the issue that the OP might very well have falsified his particulars in order to marry the woman overseas.

Does anyone else find it strange the OP hasn’t been around in a week?

k.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he got put off by the near unanimous negativity of the responses and quit reading.

Fat Bald Guy is right.

Monty, you assume too much. My entire family and most of my relatives are perfectly aware I am a Latter-day Saint.

My wife’s here, she’s happy (except for missing home), we’re all happy. There has not been this much happiness and excitement in the extended family for ages.

She is well aware I am not a praticing Muslim. She asked me to throw out my Jewish paraphernalia, I refused, and she acquiesced. We are slowly coming to an understanding of each other. There is still time for us to grow and adapt.

Many of you seem to think I am doing this out of selfish motivation. The reason I got married is simple - I believe that a divinely-mandated goal of a human is to create a family. I firmly believe in and practice the social and moral aspects of my culture (which promotes arranged marriages), and so this is the way I chose to be married. I’ll have to think very hard to find a person in my extended family who got married outside of the arranged marriage network, at least a marriage that worked.

I did not do this for myself - I did this out of a sense of obligation to my family, culture, and greater cultural community. I could have been perfectly happy by myself or following the dictates of my own selfish desires. But instead I decided to bow down to what I believe is right and put away such childish, selfish, decadent ideals.

Do not be so judgmental and assuming of other people and their intentions. It’s because of this offhanded judgmentalism that I withdrew from this thread. It disgusts me that people would assume so much and develop a portrait that is so false.

For the LDS: I was fully active and faithful. My priesthood was still valid. Everyone around me knows who I am. They were also very aware I was marrying a non-member. The Church believes in families, and so I am going to start one. The Church advocates marriage within the religion, but there is no condemnation or excommunication for those who do enter an inter-faith marriage, even if the person will become inactive. True, it’s sad and undesireable, but the Church looks - rightly so - at the caliber and moral standing of the person. I have consulted with many Latter-day Saints - from bishops to temple presidents - and they all expressed a hope that my wife will one day accept the Gospel and we be married in the Temple, and otherwise wished us well. If she doesn’t convert, then so be it. If she does, great. I’m not going to force it either way.

Let me also remind my Latter-day Saint brothers and sisters that it is a sin to judge a person without knowing the circumstances they are in. Focus on your sins and faults, and leave me to mine.

Also, I never said I am a Christian and a Muslim. I said I consider myself both. Just as I consider myself Jewish (but not a Jew - notice the adjectival ending), Buddhist, Zoroastrian, and Hindu. In the end, we all seek to serve God. I don’t care by what name He is invoked or what label his path has.

What are labels anyway? People are willing to die and kill because of a label. I don’t think God sits and examines what labels we apply to ourselves.

My own philosophy of religions and religious groups is unorthodox, and perhaps rightly so. My ancestors have been Hindu, Sikh, and Muslim so far. Perhaps even Buddhist, Zoroastrian, and Jewish. My grandfather had a death sentence against him because of his unorthodox views.

Anyway, more later.

For those who were less inclined to assume and who expressed support, thanks.

WRS

“I could have been perfectly happy by myself or following the dictates of my own selfish desires.”

That’s always worked for me!

– “childish, selfish, decadent” Eve