Well, it’s about bloody time an Iraqi with an actual chance to be heard invokes Iraq’s sovereignty and stands up to U.S. plans for permanent bases in Iraq
I’d like to hear other’s opinions, but I don’t believe there’s a chance in Hell Cheney won’t get his bases, no matter what the Iraqis want or say.
Crooks and Liars, ehe? Top shelf cite there and really bang up OP. Lots of meat here, no doubt.
I have to say that when I hear such moving and weighty words as “The people of Iraq, the Parliament, the Council of Representative and the government of Iraq, all say no, big fat no, N, O, No military bases for Iraq because we believe that is in direct encroachment to our sovereignty, and we don’t need it.” that I become a bit teary eyed. I mean…such strong but poetic language. I was especially moved by the ‘big fat no’ part…I mean, THAT is true diplomacy and a speech that will ring out there through history with Churchill’s famous lines " We shall not flag nor fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France and on the seas and oceans; we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air. We shall defend our island whatever the cost may be; we shall fight on beaches, landing grounds, in fields, in streets and on the hills. We shall never surrender and even if, which I do not for the moment believe, this island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, will carry on the struggle until in God’s good time the New World with all its power and might, sets forth to the liberation and rescue of the Old. . "
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Agreed. They’ll be ignored or pushed into backing down, and that’ll be another nail in the coffin in the lie of Iraqi sovereignty.
So CNN video is too hard-left for you these days?
If that’s the case, then say so, rather than disparaging the message bearer in order to mock the story.
Anyone have a non-partisan cite for this quote btw? I looked it up on google and just kept getting linked back to the same wonderful article in the OP. A look on CNN 's site give a whole different take on the story:
This doesn’t seem to be talking about the bases at all…but about air strikes by the US on Iranian targets (or maybe about a war with Iran…it’s still a bit confused exactly what the ‘big fat no’ is actually saying no too).
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Correct me if I’m wrong here…but the web site linked too in the OP SEEMS to be called ‘Crooks and Liars’. Now, maybe that makes it a non-partisan, centrist site…but I’m thinking no.
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Hmmm. The CNN cite you list is dated Oct. 4th:
(emphasis added just to be a dick about it)
Clearly, this comment has to do with attacks on Iran. Yes? Comment made on Oct. 4th, in a speech to a “small group at the Nixon Center”.
Report dated Oct. 19
Two different subjects, on two entirely different days. Hope that helps.
Actually no…it was singularly unhelpful.
Let me rephrase…do you have a link (as in, insert link into thread please) to a source for this that doesn’t come off of Crooks and Liars or something like Think Progress? Because I’m searching here and getting nothing but the article I linked too. Unless this is so cutting edge that no one (except obvious loonly lefty sites) has it.
Hope that helps.
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Here…I’ll help you out. Here is the most recent google. search for “Mowaffak Al-Rubaie big fat no”. As you will note, the link I provided is at the top (saying something there)…and all of the other links on the page are either Crooks and Liars, Think Progress or similar sites. I’m not seeing such light weights as NBC, CBS, CNN, BBC, etc etc.
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The Crooks and Liars cite is CNN. Click on the link offered in the OP. (Go ahead, lefty cooties cannot travel through the interweb tubes…) See the picture? See the logo?
No doubt, if the treacherous scoundrels at Crooks could get away with it, they’d lie, but a sharpy like you is sure to catch them.
Why no…I don’t. But even if I did, so what? That’s not what I’m asking for. Do you have a direct link to any web site for a MSM source that is running this STORY. Not a link to a video, but the actually, you know, text of the story? I’m not finding it so if you would be so good as to drop the sarcastic bullshit and simply provide me with a link I’d be much obliged.
No doubt if you would simply provide me with a non-Crooks and Liar’s link my fears will simply vanish. It’s curious that you (and anyone else presumably looking at this thread) is reluctant to do so…don’t you think?
It may simply be that my google-foo is weak or broken atm…but I am not finding any actual story that doesn’t loop back to a loony lefty site for this supposed story. I suppose we COULD just move on to discussing Mowaffak Al-Rubaie, but I’d kind of like to clear up this issue first, if you don’t mind.
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Yup, video of a CNN story, with their little CNN logo and everything. If the story has cooties, blame CNN, not Crooks and Liars, which is merely passing it on.
I guess that settles it then. :rolleyes: Curious though that when I GO to CNN’s web site and look this up I don’t find the story. Also, its curious that when I got to CNN’s video section I don’t find it either. Why here …here is CNN’s breaking news video section. And…well, I don’t see this.
So…how about instead of the hand waving Squink you simply give me a link? Again, it’s quite possible that there IS a story on this…so, why don’t you link to it so we can move on?
(A search of CNN’s web site for “Mowaffak Al-Rubaie” doesn’t turn up this story either…which again is kind of curious. No?)
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One possibility, I suppose, is the C and L made it all up, there not being enough news available lately that reveals the Bushiviks in a bad light, hardly enough to fill more than three or four volumes of the Encyclopedia Brittanica. Then, I guess, they must have put their crack Photoshop team onto making up a logo, figuring CNN would never notice, or doesn’t have any lawyers.
Another, more plausible possibility is that the story is bogus from the git-go, and CNN got pwned. So they tried to pretend it never happened…poof! gone! Or that they hire their web administrators from Regent University.
Neither of these would reflect any fault on the part of C and L.
And I hasten to remind that you’ve heard a lot of truth from us “loony lefties” over the past six years or so. That you find this truth, ah, inconvenient, is no reflection on us.
I have no idea…that’s why I’m asking for another link to the story. Seems to me that if we can clear this up we can move on to the debate…and if it can’t be cleared up then it’s either a mis-quote or a complete fabrication. There is a lot we can say bout Mowaffak, but no point if there is really no story here.
Anyone? Linky? Please?
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Perhaps this may be of some assistance.
I’m afraid you have to actually read the thing-- evidently they forgot to mention the Iraq story in the transcript header, as there was apparently also something happening in Pakistan at the time. The relevant bit is about halfway down, just after Deborah Kerr’s obituary notice.
Let the record show that the first introduction of sarcasm was initiated by you. Whether it qualifies as “bullshit” is a question best left to the Discerning Reader.
From the cite offered by Terrifel, whose google-fu is strong.
From CNN. Their transcript. Accurate quote. Gloat, gloat, lord it over.
I guess its such a big story that only CNN has picked up on it in such a big way. Pretty much Crooks and Liars quoted this meaty story verbatim:
That’s all there is…ain’t no mo’. I appreciate the link, even if I can’t figure out why a search of CNN’s own site give me nothing. I note with some irony that he used the ‘big fat no’ earlier in the month to talk about Iran and a possible conflict between the US…so ‘big fat no’ must be one of his stock phrases.
I would say my own sarcasm was better served, but we’ll let those Discerning Readers decide.
That said, it does appear that, lack of meat or not, this did indeed come from CNN. I am glad SOMEONE cleared that up at least.
Imagine how much better you would have felt about lording it over me if you had actually done the work yourself to find this tidbit! 
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Oh lord no. I didn’t find that bit by Googling it; I just went to CNN, found the transcript for yesterday’s Situation Room, and looked at it. No mad leet skills necessary, other than reading.
Happy to be of service, though. Not that the transcript says anything that the clip didn’t, anyway. But at least there won’t be any lingering doubts that the clip might have been some sort of hoaxed-up leftist disinformation campaign or whatever.
Of course if they were capable of creating a bogus CNN interview from whole cloth, they’d no doubt also be capable of altering CNN’s transcript records, so all this proves nothing anyway. In fact, when we come right down to it, how do any of us really know that Iraq even exists?