Blaster Master:
Did you wait until a few hours before the deadline to start playing for out-of-game reasons or for in-game reasons? I don’t even care what the reasons are, just into which of those two categories they fall.
If you were Good, would you deliberately avoid the game?
If you were Good, would you stir the pot less than 2 hours before deadline? Or would you pop in yesterday instead?
What, exactly, is problematic about me confessing to being Chaotic? It was an attempt at a sign of good faith that I intend to worth for the total Good win condition and not an exclusive one. There is absolutely no incentive for Chaotic Good not to claim Chaotic unless they want to win exclusively, which is actually anti-town itself. Otherwise, admitting it so we can remove that potential loss from half the town as a concern and working together seems like the most pro-town move to me.
And BlaM, you kinda dodged the question about whether you think the mechanics of this game…
-Designed for speed
-No subs
-No participation enforcement
-No Night
-Everyone assigned random toys
-Multiple potential dynamic factions
…put an extra level of default distaste for lack of participation?
To me these rules say “Don’t be that guy” and “lurk at your own dire risk” a bit more stringently than any other game I’ve played in.
If you are scum your goal is pretty much don’t get lynched. Those actions don’t really help with that goal.
I would prefer not to say because it really is irrelevant, as in sachetorte’s following questions it, I think, illustrates the point. If I’m Good, then there isn’t a reason for me to deliberately avoid the game, so it was probably due to out-of-game reasons. Otherwise, if I’m not, then it may have been for out-of-game reasons, or it may have been because I was deliberately avoiding participating. Either way, it doesn’t matter.
You may well be right. But in fairness, the straight dope message board is my default home page on my home computer, and I have the auto-login thing happening. Anytime I open my Web browser, it would appear that I logged into the SDMB, even if I then immediately navigate away and do work or something like that.
As my vote on him was for non-participation and he’s participating:
unvote BLAM
It’s anti-town waiting so long to speak up, but isn’t necessarily scummy. Worth debating Next Turn anyway. Still have a vote on zuma
Regarding storyteller and his Helm - am I accepting it or not? And I want an answer from story or as much of a consensus as we can build before the deadline anyway. I don’t want to be using Accept Item if it’s not necessary for me to do so.
Except that you have explicitly said in many past games that you would not lie about out-of-game reasons for nonparticipation - that you’d consider that to be very bad form. I agree with that, and believe that you mean it. Thus, if you tell us that you had out-of-game reasons for nonparticipation, I, for one, will accept that statement as true.
That you are carefully avoiding claiming out-of-game reasons, though, makes me think that you are: (1) aware that claiming in-game reasons will get you lynched; and (2) unwilling to claim out-of-game reasons because there weren’t any. In other words, you lurked deliberately, as part of a strategy.
And for my part, that, in and of itself, is not problematic the way it is with sach. But the dance you’re doing around it - the “it doesn’t matter” thing - that raises my suspicions in a way that the lurking alone would not have.
vote Blaster Master
Actually, I will address this. Yes, I’m sure my profile shows that I logged into the Dope several times while I wasn’t participating, but this goes to show exactly the reason why meta-gaming is just bad. Whether or not I was deliberately avoiding the game, I have the Dope set as one of my home tabs in my browser both at work and at home, so any time I open my browser, I’ll show up as active. Second, I actually did post to another thread at some point earlier this week, but what does that prove? That I had 15 minutes to read and respond to another thread? I may have done it if I was deliberately avoiding the game, or I may have done it if I had real life concerns because I had 15 minutes to read the dope, but not the significantly more time it takes to participate in a game.
What, no 15 seconds to post a confirmation? No Hello? No Hey I’m busy, be back later?
A response just got eaten by database error and I have a meeting, but I’ll be back.
I believe zuma is up by one.
Actually, I’m just think the very question of whether I’m avoiding the game deliberately or not is meta-gaming in and of itself, which is why I don’t want to talk about it.
Either way, obviously I shouldn’t have taken this game up, and me being here is making people angry. I was going to request a sub when I realized I didn’t have the time, but when I read the rules about it,that there were no subs, I tried to do what I could today to make up for lost time today. That was a mistake because I wasted a few hours reading and all I ended up doing was pissing off a number of people I’ve enjoyed playing with before. It’s just a game and it’s not worth upsetting people over, so I’ll just bow out of the game before I hurt anyone else’s feelings. I’m sorry, guys.
I’m this close to switching my action from Accept Item to Displacement.
FOS storyteller
Please confirm what you are going to do with your Item. I am** not **going to have a conversation next Turn about there being confusion over this.
I fully believe that the only reason Blaster Master posted at all was because we were voting to lynch him. He’s not posting now for our benefit. He is posting for his. His play is entirely selfish, and I will not reward that.
I believe that Blaster Master was intending to no post at all until we pushed for his lynch, whether it be this Turn, Turn Two or Turn Seven.
I believe if we don’t put a stop to this behavior now, it will continue in future games.
What will you do if others adopt this play style?
As far as Blam is concerned, less I start sounding like a broken record. He came back with a couple hours left, and I don’t feel like that is adequate time for us to objectively evaluate him and a perfect time for Evil to bus a lynch. So I’m not gonna jump on the Blamwagon with 30 min left in the Turn.
Zuma on the other hand simply isn’t playing.
Let’s fix that
unvote Zuma
vote Blaster Master
I agree with Story. Lurking on purpose is anti-town. It may be understandable if there you are a town power role who is trying to stay under the radar, but that clearly isn’t the case here. You are being argumentative and unhelpful. If nothing else, we are getting rid of a chaotic player, which helps the lawful ones.
Uh, I don’t mean to be such a bitch, but Hawkeyeop? Your unvote and Vote now has Blaster Master up by one, which I’m totally cool with, but I think we are shooting for Tie.