MHaye, Thanks. I mainly wanted to confirm that I wasn’t redirected on Turn One. It doesn’t mean I wasn’t on Turn Three, but is a good indicator that maybe there isn’t a Staff of Command, or at least the Staff is not in Evil Hands. I’ll stop obsessing about unlikely events now.
Oh, yeah. Forgot to
vote: Chucara
Question for the group: should I (or Hawkeye) bother trying to regain the Ring of Limited Wishes from the Hoard? It has 0 charges remaining. It is essentially useless unless Hawkeye or myself get it and use our once-per-game recharge power to reload it. So, in order to use it again, one of us would need use an Action today to try to grab it from the Hoard (with a low chance of success for me), then recharge it next turn, then we could get an investigation the following turn. From my point of view, as much as I would love to continue investigating, it seems like a waste of actions for a payoff far down the line, if at all, since I would need to get very lucky to pick it up in the first place. And since it’s harmless now, I don’t see any problem leaving it there. What do you guys think?
PS. Gotta say, as much as I love all those items getting blown into the Hoard, losing that Ring really sucks right now, as I could have done the recharge this turn and been investigating again next Turn. 
I think you’re much better off watching the Horde or suspicious players. This game will probably be over by the time that ring is working again.
I hate to be a downer in all the congradulations going on all around but I have to ask:
Boozy why did you kill Cookies last night and why did you lie about trying to off zuma turn 1?
Oooh! Drama! 
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I thought she was scum, and I didn’t really think my turn was going to be processed.
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Wha? You’re talking out your ass.
Does this refresh your memory?
Anybody else feel things are happening a little too fortuituously lately?
Zounds!
That was unexpected. I was quite content thinking Squid killed Cookies via Trap. But now it seems that Squid got a bit stabby. I’m not sure what to make of this. If Squid is Town, then attacking Cookies makes some sense in that many were irked/suspicious of Cookies not giving reasons for her vote. (BTW, Cookies’s weird stand doesn’t make sense from an Evil standpoint either). So I can kind of get that. Also, Squid probably used his Luck that turn and figured that using the Luck and stabbing should go together. I’m not sure if that is really optimal, but I can see the temptation to do so.
If Squid is Evil, then Squid was never cursed and knew that he wasn’t going to die and that the stabby action would work. I don’t put a whole lot of weight into this possibility because I don’t see Evil skipping a cursing opportunity in exchange for making an Evil seem more Townie. First of all, Evil was winning at the time. Secondly, Town is notoriously paranoid. Squid will not be considered confirmed Town (Though I lean in that direction, Death to Squid is not an impossibility).
What is most troubling is that Squid decided to stab Cookies. I get that Cookies was acting suspicious, but seriously, did you really think Evil would stubbornly refuse to give a reason for voting for me when there was a huge pile of bullshit reasons to pick from? I don’t understand Cookies’s play at all, but it doesn’t make sense for Town or for Evil. Anyway, back to the “troubling” point. Now that Squid has stabbed Cookies, Squid is conveniently, or not-so-conveniently, available to stab Chucara or Darth Sensitive. Our efforts to disintegrate both may not succeed. We of course will try to disintegrate them both, but I fully expect Darth Sensitive and Chucara to last minute vote/unvote to ensure that only one of them dies. Thus, a nice backstabbing would be handy now.
I’m not going to blame Squid for this predicament as we we wouldn’t be in this situation if we hadn’t zapped storyteller too.
Anyway. Our best course of action is to try to zap both Chucara and Darth Sensitive, but we shouldn’t expect both to die. I suggest we formulate a plan to monitor the final moments of the Turn.
Poll: Please indicate whether or not you will be online at the final moments of the Turn.
I will likely be available, and since it is my investigation on Chucara, I think it makes sense for me to monitor Chucara’s actions at the end of the Turn. ShadowFacts has a Tuesday Meeting I think? Anyway, we need someone to monitor Darth Sensitive’s vote.
What I suggest: I will vote in such a way as to cancel out Chucara’s voting. If Chucara votes for Darth Sensitive, I will NOT vote for Darth Sensitive, etc. That way if Chucara chooses to last minute change his vote, I can hopefully slip in and undo the change.
We need ONE person to do this for each Evil. More and we risk multiple reactions which will just screw everything up.
Again, I fully expect us to only be able to disintegrate one of them, but this last minute stuff is worth a try since if we fail, we won’t really be losing anything.
I think it is time for everyone to claim their actions for Turn One and Turn Two. Possibly Turn Three as well, but I’m willing to be talked out of that.
Sinjin, I recall Squid definitively stating he targetted zuma with a stabbing on Turn One. Are you saying you saw Squid target someone other than zuma?
My memory doesn’t need refreshing. I tried and failed to stab zuma, because he was already dead. That was my Turn One action. What’s your deal?
Good to know. Can I ask if you are lawful?
It is pretty clear that Darth is scum. I also find it likely that Chucara is scum. It will be tricky to lynch both of them. They can do any number of things at the last moment to avoid a tie. I should be around in order to attempt to ensure one.
I also think there is a good chance that Darth is scum as well. The general consensus was his role was anti-town, yet why would scum focus upon him on turn two? I also think the scum would try to false claim a cursed player at some point, and they didn’t turn 1 or turn 3.
I’m also suspicious of Shadowfacts as well. The timing of my reveal seems off. He is also following a popular scum pattern for making false detective claims. First confirm a townie, next out a scum, and finally finger a townie for the win.
I mentioned it earlier, but it seems to have missed, so I’ll repeat that I have been Cursed. I don’t have any special reason to be cured, though it might be worth it at this point since we are running out of game time.
I claim Lawful Good.
My thoughts on Chaotic Good:
I only touched on the Lawful/Chaotic thing briefly before. (If you care, the comment was I expected A Good win to be a Chaotic win, just a question of which Chaotic would win).
Anyway, now that we are further into the game, I think it is time to revisit.
There are 6 dead people. 3 are Chaotic. 3 are Lawful (one of which was Evil).
The rules state that:
“Each character has two-thirds chance to be Lawful and one-third chance to be Chaotic.”
So with 15 players, one third of the players is 5. [Expected value, we might have more or less].
With an estimate of 4 Evil, we would expect 1.3 of them to be Chaotic.
So if we had 11 Town, we would expect 3.7 of them to be Chaotic.
So the expectation is that there is one more Chaotic Good in the mix. I do not know what to do about this Chaotic player. I don’t feel that it makes sense to “hunt” for this player as I have no idea where to begin such a hunt, nor am I convinced that hunting is an optimal move. From my viewpoint, I plan to play for a Good win. If it ends up that Chaotic wins and Lawful doesn’t, then I’m OK with that. The Lawful win condition is a screwy win condition anyway. There is no way to track satisfaction of the condition short of everyone putting things into the Hoard. The Lawful win condition mainly relies on the altruism of another player. My hope is that the Chaotic player’s item was blown into the Hoard, and if it wasn’t, that the Chaotic player will put the item into the Hoard. However, I realize that some players strive for a more exclusive win (for some reason that I’ve never understood, but I know enough to know that it happens). Of course we don’t really even know that there is another Chaotic Good alive.
Anyway. I’m not going to actively do anything about the Chaotic situation (not that I could even if I wanted to). I’ll leave the state of the items up to the Chaotic player(s). I am in possession of one item. I claim Lawful. I will hold onto my item unless we agree to a Mass Drop.
Care to revisit this? I think you mean Squid in the second paragraph, but I’m not sure.
Could you explain what is off about ShadowFacts’s reveal of your alignment? It is an interesting hypothesis, but I find the outing of Darth Sensitive a strange step in the sequence. Has this happened in the past? Can you give an example? From my point of view, if an Evil ShadowFacts did this, then he would be GIVING us an Evil, in exchange for mis-killing one Good, but also giving up himself. I really have a hard time believing this happening. I’m not saying ShadowFacts can’t be Evil, but I would be very surprised if he was.
Sorry I missed your earlier post. MHaye and I will have some discussing to do. The Orb only starts out with 1 or 2 charges, so if MHaye takes on curing duties, it may not be effective. I’m not sure if it makes more sense for me to do the curing, or if we should use up the Orb thus KNOW that it is done, and hope that Hawkeyeop gets the benefit of the Orb. The advantage of the latter is that I would get to investigate this Turn. The disadvantage is that hawkeyeop is our most confirmed Town (Good investigation AND cursed), so keeping hawkeyeop alive seems like a good idea.
Sinjin, if I recall correctly, you claimed to have focused your Chi on Turn One. Did you lie? Why did you lie? Why did you feel the need to wait until now to reveal your lie?
No, feel free t oblame me. I hate getting a Vig role, because Vigs are notoriously quick to overrely on their own judgement, and tend to make mistakes, for which they deservedly get major heat. q.v. our current Mod in the SDMB Mafia game.
Turn One, I wanted to use my stabbity not merely to relieve the town of suspicions of me, but also to prevent me from succumbing to my own temptations. And I was so sure that Cookies was a Baddie. I do content myself a little bit in the knowledge that she was Chaotic. No matter the good intentions of our Chaotic Good bretheren, I know what a huge temptation it is to try to steal a solo win. I’d much rather have that happen than let the scum win, but I do hope now that the remaining Good players are Lawful.
I tried to post this yesterday but the tethering the phone to the laptop thing quit working and the hotels wifi is highway robbery - six bucks an hour! Please excuse typoes as I am not the worlds best iPhone typist.
I saw Chucara do nothing but MHaya do something magical to Chucara. Yay!
I’ve been voting Xhucara for ages, so I’ll stick with that.
unvote sach
vote Darth
I haven’t been investigating alignment because I frankly don’t see the big deal except thatchaotix townies would be less likely to die for the town. However, since somebody suspects me, I’ll tell you outright that I am in fact Chaotic Good. I hold the Something of Telekenesis, a word the iPhone oddly does not know. (Sorry, I’m not used to not having tabs - it’s either a rod or a helm). I don’t mind giving it up - I considered using it to steal from chucara because I deeply suspected him but it wouldn’t tell me if he was evil and if somebody saw me they’d think I was evil myself. I figured the watching ability was much more useful than my item or my alignment investigation. I’ll give it away or throw it in the horde, whichever.
I will probably not be online for the end of turn and can’t type fast enough to keep up anyway.
Don’t know what else I can say about what I did and why, but if you have questions, I am happy to answer them. If it makes you feel any better, if I did have such an Evil plan, I can’t go through with it now that I don’t have the Ring
FTR, and not brown-nosing, I think we should do whatever we can to save Hawkeyeop from the Curse.
Rut Roh.
So Zsofia claims to have seen MHaye do something magical to Chucara.
MHaye claims to have used the Orb of Healing on Squid.
Something is not consistent here.
Zsofia, Could you be very explicit about what you mean. State the Turn, what your action was, and what the results were. Also state whether or not you saw MHaye be successful of unsuccessful in his action.
Zsofia, also, why do you state your results but fail to put the information into context with what has been revealed so far? Your observation is in direct contradiction to what MHaye has stated. Why no suspicion of MHaye?
Whoops! I’m really sorry - I got turned around in my head. I saw sachertorte do something magical to Chucara - in other words I can confirm somewhat his investigation. Sorry for the confusion.
I’m actually inclined to believe this - it makes perfect sense to me reading her post with sach in place of MHaye.