My brother-in-law is trying to kill himself with the power of prayer

If I ever have a daughter, I will probably write this on a piece of paper and keep it in my dresser drawer.

Funny, most people I know work to keep a roof over their heads, and food on the table, and clothing on their backs.

Perhaps the ones who really believe in god to provide are maybe called HOMELESS and live in church provided homeles shelters?

That seems an unfair description. Assholes are useful; they are a major way the body relieves itself of waste, and, with appropriate sanitary measures, can be quite delightful in a purely amatory sense. In short they contribute to the world, whereas kanicbird has not contributed anything useful to this thread.

WRONG! G-d spoke to him through the 14-year-old girl! G-d is ALL powerful MWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!

It’s really too bad that Odin is unaware of the vicissitudes of mortal life unless we inform him through prayer, and unable to intervene lest we propriate him with offerings. But alas though Hunin and Munin do their best to keep him informed, there are many more people in Midgard than there were when the Aesir came to power; with 6 billion mortals alive today, there are simply too many to make sure everyone is taken care of appropriately. Moreover Freyja’s perpetual overspending on mead for the Einherjar has left the gods of Asgard bankrupt, and only by giving them generously from our coffers can they afford to arms necessary to keep the Nine Worlds in order.

I dunno. He’s provided a potential glimpse into the mind of your B-I-L.

Not sure if that is useful.

“G-d” WTF? is your “o” broken?

In Jewish tradition, it is considered inappropriate to write the name of the creator in a fashion that might be destroyed. Consequently, many observant Jews, when writing in English, omit the “o” from “God” so that if the document in question is destroyed, they will not fall afoul of that rule Arrangements of electrons, being quite, evanescent, obviously qualify. I expect that Shayna is obliquely referring to this belief and practice.

–Skaldimus, fighting ignorance just as the Master would

I wonder if that means that Rastafarians smoke p-t?

I have a bit more time to go into how Jesus healed me and the circumstances around it, as it may be of help to the OP.

I started seeking the Lord first to get me out of a bad situation, actually facing death, which He did praise be to God. So many people have to get to this point before they turn to God. I sought Him more because I really liked what He did and wanted to know Him more. The more I sought Him, the closer I drew to Him, the closer and more I knew Him and wanted to know. This journey was not to cure ADHD.

Jesus purified and refined me getting rid of many bad habits, and having me quit them without much difficulty at all. Things I did for years I just knew when it was time to just walk away from. These things were things I wasn’t seeking, but He wanted them out of my life.

Then it came the time when I was praying in a small group. I was not even thinking of ADHD at the time. One person came over to me, placed their hand on my head and prayed, my head cleared, this brain fog ADHD dramatically left in about 1 second. I felt the clearing. The only other time I felt a clearing anything like that was the 1st time I took Ritalin, but that was not as dramatic, nor did other doses of Ritalin approach that level.

To the OP, this person really wants to pursue a cure by prayer, telling him he is stupid for trying will only work if you get him to believe he is stupid. Perhaps that’s your true motivation perhaps not, I don’t know, but it is the motivation of some here, to inflict further damage to this person, not to help them and in the name of Lord Jesus and in His Authority I bind those efforts, and in Jesus’ name forbid you harming this person.

In the name of Jesus, if this person really wants to turn to God, let him come and let him know the path is to seek Jesus, not to seek a cure.

May the Lord Jesus bless all you people.

Kanicbird, the obvious thing to do here is to assert Cite?. You know, and I know, that God can work miracles. But remember what St. Paul did in Athens – he tempered his preaching to the beliefs and philosophy of the Athenians, in order to win them.

You’re on the Dope here. And you know what Cecilians want – authoritative, peer-reviewed proof of an assertion. If you were “dramatically healed by God through prayer,” surely there was previous evidence of your ailment, whatever it was, examination by physician(s) after documenting your cure/remission/unprecedently rapid healing/whatever. Even Czarcasm is on record as saying he would believe adequate proof of a claimed miraculous cure.

I know what God did in my life. I also know that it is next door to impossible to prove that to the satisfaction of, say, Der Trihs. So I simply witness to the facts as I perceived them, with sufficient emphasis on my employing moderate skepticism to them to overcome the Jamesian “will to believe,” to state my claim. It’s up to others whether to take my word, or whether to consider my evaluation as adequate. If you have proof of an objective miracle, it’s up to you to proffer it. Ranting about how others “need to believe” absent evidence satisfactory to themselves is simply calling them to embrace error – perhaps you are telling the truth, but then again, perhaps the guy who claims Bigfoot strolled through his back yard is, too. If you have proof of God performing a documentable miracle, it’s your burden to present it, not merely claim it’s true. The most fundamental difference between a universe in which an omnipotent God is active and one where He is not – in fact, does not exist for any reasonable definition of the term “God” – is clearcut, non-anecdotal, non-legendary evidence of Him at work in a manner irrefutable by other means. So, Cite???

As for the niece, perhaps she was the “two boats and helicopter” for her father.

I’m not a “Scientific Creationist”; I’m a scientific Creationist. I believe God created the Universe. And I believe He did it by means of the Big Bang, brought about the diversity of life through evolutionary processes, etc. I think Genesis is a fine set of myths and legends describing what He did in terms accessible to Hebrew nomads, who are in general not noted for their extensive background in pyrogenetic nucleosynthesis, inflationary cosmology, punctuated equilibria, etc. I think God heals – and I think that 99.99999% of the time, He does it by calling some people to be physicians and surgeons and other health care workers, and having them use His methods of removing toxins and septic conditions, extracting malignant growths, encouraging the body to use its self-repair mechanisms, etc. Miracles, if and when they exist, are the extraordinary interventions needed in extraordinary circumstances – not something to be asked for in place of His normal means of healing through committed professional healers.

kanicbird, let me ask you a simple question. It’s not really a trap.

Can you force the Lord to perform a miracle?

There’s some outstanding class and compassion right there - Skald’s frustrated his brother-in-law wouldn’t deal with his medical condition by seeing a doctor (you know, people who are trained to deal with medical conditions) instead of just leaving it up to a Godly crapshoot (since God occasionally cures people of the diseases He presumably created and inflicted, but usually doesn’t), and you accuse Skald of trying to make the guy he’s trying to help feel stupid? The guy is being stupid. Somehow that’s Skald’s fault for not being supportive of his stupidity, I guess. Shame shame.

Somewhat ironically, this post and the accompanying prayers are going to be exactly as effective as the posts wishing Skald’s BIL get a harsh lesson. They’re all words from strangers and don’t do anything. Why not try a rain dance or something? I’d like to see some snow this afternoon.

Thanks to this kind of holy shit, he was on the path to seeing him sooner rather than later. :rolleyes: Unfortunately for everybody, EEEEEVIL medicine’s going to keep him from his eternal reward for a while. Curse Satan for inventing health care!

In a round about way it is sort of possible, though God does know all before it happens. There are scriptural examples of miracles happening as the result of disobedience of God (if we define miracles as supernatural happenings).

I’m glad to hear that, Skald.

So, you could, one hundred percent, for sure, have the Lord cure your ADHD if you still had it?
Note: Still not really a trap, I’m just a bit uncertain of the theological standing of your faith here. Most people, as I understand it, would consider it either blasphemous or impossible, to compel the Lord to do something.

Just ask Jim Morrison.

No

The Lord states, ‘come let us reason together’ (Is 1:18a). The only thing we (man) has to reason with God is His Word, which He will not violate. The Word contains promises of God, some of which are miracles. How and when He does them are up to Him, not us.

Skald, very happy to hear he’s gone to the doc. Please keep us posted.

Polycarp, well said. Your explanation of scientific Creationist is wonderful. Thanks.

Oh, and since this is the Pit: Darn.

In other words, “No.”