Sounds like you have an axe to grind with Christianity … there’s an active thread in the pit right now. Debate is the back and forth of ideas, of sharing. I’d like for you to elaborate on a meaningless life, if you would.
Your perspective is simply your perspective and you are more than welcome to have it, keep it and speak to it. But that’s all it is.
What do you think blue laws were?
In this thread, no one gay or atheist is seeking to do anything but validate their own personal position anyway. That is why things are taken out of context, distorted, slanted with the posters’ opinions and so forth.
If we were to have a similar thread on homosexuals and bring up only the negative impacts of such a life style, shout down anything that might seem reality based (like people love who they love) it would be closed down for hate speech.
I think while homosexuals continue to attack the Church specifically, they might have peaked out at this time because all this discrimination, hate speech, attack and persecutions of Christians who are just going to church is starting to backlash. There are a lot more Christians population-wise in this country than there are gays, so if people are to be ‘shut up’, I’m thinking it will end up being the 2%.
Basically, if you don’t like Christianity, don’t go to a church, eh mate?
That’s right. Why should it matter to you if someone else regards divorce seriously for their own life?
Are you the thought police? Are you a control freak? Why do you care whether Christians adhering to a set of principles they value in their own lives practice those principles?
You are inviting Christians to a two way street that I seriously doubt can turn out well for the advances the gay lobby has made. Why not just move on and live your life instead of striving for destruction of the Church because you believe it disapproves of you.
What do you care what the Bible says?
More reasonable would be to just see that the Bible contradicts itself and thus obviously can not be in inerrant word of the Lord, and as such you can doubt it all.
So you don’t think that part where Jesus says you have to believe in him to go to heaven, is really true?
Do you agree with that yourself? Murderers should be treated like shoplifters?
So Hitler and Ghandi are about the same in God’s eyes?
What?
Kind of like those uppity blacks used to do?
Like Christians?
You sound angry now … just saying …
Forgive me if I think it bad if women are physically abused.
Of course not, both are God’s job.
I care if people are hypocrites or not.
What do you mean?
The best defense is a good offense.
So I can teach it to Christians.
Why do you say that?
This guy is off the deep end … can we like limit ourselves to one question at a time?
Laws against divorces and pre-marital sex encourage those, they don’t fight them.
Even if that was an accurate description of secular society, it’s still better than a grim, grey society of guilt-ridden, self-hating, life-hating puritanical Christians. Traditional Christian society is extremely oppressive, brutal and miserable.
Little of that has anything to do with divorce. The opposite is true in many cases; you are apparently actually trying to argue that someone trapped in life in a miserable marriage isn’t going to be “emotionally unhealthy”, which is ridiculous.
And “don’t steal, don’t murder, don’t slander” pre-date them. Christianity doesn’t get the credit for those rules. And commandments against other religions are not and should not be put into law.
Your own argument ("no daughters") helps make the point that it’s about controlling women, not what’s harmful to society.
:rolleyes: A ridiculous argument. You are trying to equates beatings and rapes and murders with having a job?
Of course in reality the priest would almost certainly be on the side of the abuser. In a good traditional Christian society she’s supposed to submit utterly to her [del]owner[/del]husband. She’s a slave, for all practical purpose.
If you please …
You lost me here … I don’t control women, I have sons … much easier IMEIO.
Until you slide off at the end, your discussion points are more reasonable (those quoted) and don’t rely on various debating fallacies like straw men to approach.
I have other things to do but I will try to remember to come back and address some of the responses that are truly salient to a respectful and enlightening discussion tomorrow or so, assuming everyone still wants to chat about this.
A happy “meaningless” life is better than a miserable “meaningful” one. And I fail to see why a life with a meaning imposed by someone else like the Christian god is desirable in any way.
Of course, I think Christianity sucks.
I like my job, I have a great relationship with my SO, and I like to read, snowboard, work out, lots of other things, and of course shoot guns.
Are “the internet gays” welcome to chat, too?
I’m not miserable being the “go to” guy for any newly widowed woman … with little kids … destitute … I feel good earning the community’s respect … and trust … that these women will receive my respect as God would have me. The pay could be better, but I sleep well at night
Or Christian, you left out Christian. Gay, atheist or Christian.
Why are you Christians so hung up on homosexuals? Why not use divorcees as an example for once?
Why? I think some of the churches are great.
I’d argue with you more about the guns than your choice of spouses.
My point is why don’t you practice tolerating the majority population of Christians and keep being happy living your life however you would like to do so. Why do you feel the need to control other people’s choices, lives or religions?
You should remember that the whole point of gay activism was for toleration and civil rights. That street is two way and an increasing intolerant gay population pushing their minor children as pawns into attending Catholic schools just to create later lawsuits and other pushy publicity stunts aren’t going to help gay rights in the long run. It’s actually quite detrimental.
You aren’t going to take down the Church and continuously trying to do so might end up in an American version of what India just did if that lobby pisses off enough people and keeps striving for thought-crime penalties on the other 98%.
Look how the Duck Dynasty thing backfired. I think this country is at a political correctness turning point, personally.
Pffffft … how can you NOT think there’s a God [grin]. Hey, how about I throw this out “If it harms none, do as you will”. I’ll bite, that’s a great way to live your life. Don’t worry about Christians, we’re harmless generally. Atheism is it’s own rabbit hole, it’ll blind you if your stick your head to far down.
I’ll bet.