My daughter (teen) is lesbian or bi, but she hasn't told me. Should I bring it up?

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First, listen to what **Lasciel **says. Lasciel is clearly a wise person in these matters.

I am probably not a wise person in these matters, but here, for what it is worth, is my experience. Take what makes sense, ignore the rest.

When our son was about 12, my wife decided that he was more interested in boys than in girls; I came to the same conclusion a little later. It was difficult to put our finger(s) on anything in particular; he wasn’t obviously crushing on any boys, he certainly wasn’t talking about sexuality issues with us, heaven forfend. But at that time we would have put money on him being gay.

We considered asking him point blank, and rejected it. He was private about a lot of things and hated being backed into corners, and it just didn’t seem like a good idea. We decided he’d tell us when he was good and ready. So we waited. And waited. And waited. And he was 14, then 16, then 18 (I guess he grew 2 years at a time) and never said word one about his sexual preferences. And all the while we became more and more convinced that we knew what his sexual preferences were. (Male.) But were careful not to presume or to ask. (This was harder on my wife than on me, largely because she saw herself–sees herself–as the kind of mom whose gay son would feel comfortable coming to her about things like sexuality. She had to resist the urge to ask point blank more than I did. But she resisted.)

What DID we do? Well, we are a liberal family, and we talked a lot about politics. One issue that we made sure to bring up a lot was the subject of gay rights. (It helped that our daughter, who at the time was identifying as straight, was a member of the gay-straight alliance at school.) I don’t THINK it came across as “Every night at the Unwashed household is a gay history lesson!,” though my son may have perceived it that way; but he did hear a lot of “There’s a lot of prejudice against gay people, but that’s not something that we ever understood and we certainly don;t accept it; we are allies in this fight.” In the context of course of social justice issues of other types too. (I recognize this is easier if both parents are on the same page, which we were but it sounds like you aren’t or may not be. Still, I suspect it’s something you can do on your own as well.)

It also helped that we belonged (still belong) to a very progressive church. I don;t know, OP, if you have a religious background, or if you do, what kind it is, but we found it very useful to couch our support for gay rights in religious and spiritual terms: “this is what we believe the teachings of Jesus require us to do.” When our son was toward the end of high school, the church called an openly gay man to be rector (I was on the search committee), and I think the church’s willingness to do that spoke volumes to our son. It’s also true that most of our son’s schooling was likewise in tolerant and accepting environments–he had a handful of openly gay teachers in HS in particular. Again, I don;t know what kind of circles you move in. My son might disagree–I don’t know exactly what his experience was, of course–but I have always been grateful that we were able to surround him with communities that were generally accepting of people who weren’t straight.

Anyway, we continued not asking, not telling, and after a while it became pretty ridiculous as we would have bet just about anything on him being gay, but that was the way it was. And in fact he never did sit us down in that stereotypical way and say “Mom, Dad, I gotta inform you that…I’m gay.” But about halfway through his college years he called up and said “Hey, I’m dating someone”–the first time he’d dated anyone to the best of our knowledge, and we said “Oh, sounds nice. Tell us about…them,” and he said “Well, his name is…” and the news slowly spread through the extended family, few of whom seemed at all surprised when you come right down to it. And though that first relationship fizzled and pretty quickly too, he is now in his late twenties and partnered with a wonderful man, and all seems to be going along pretty well in his life.

Now. In no way am I saying “This is the recipe for how you deal with a child who might be gay.” People are different. Families are different. For all I know, maybe if we’d asked our son point blank back when he was 12 that would have been exactly what he needed. Maybe that’s what you NEED to do with your daughter. I do think, though, that we did some things right, and I would say those included a) given who our son was, not pushing; b) making our support for “the cause” clear but not personal; and c) surrounding him as much as possible with people who could be role models and/or allies. As I said, your situation may vary, but I’ll offer this with all humility (I hope).

And finally, good for you for taking your daughter seriously, regardless of what twists and turns may lie ahead for her, and for wanting to support her in every way. It’s 2017 and I wish I could say this battle has been won. It has gotten a lot easier than it was, but it certainly isn’t over. In the face of suspicion, prejudice, and even hatred, that parental love and acceptance can absolutely go a long way. That, I firmly believe.

As open as I always was with my older daughter she was still a bit shy about being open about it with me. I don’t know why, I was tickled and happy for her that she made these discoveries about herself and didn’t have to struggle with denial like I always did. I’m not bi- I’m A- and finally at a place where I can be completely open about it (even though oddly enough there’s more snark than I expected!).

I wouldn’t be able to help myself; I’d have to say something if I knew, like just talk about it openly like it’s not a big deal. But of course 100% supportive without making it a big deal.

Second this. I thought that two well-known, widely accepted phenomena are that:

  1. Lots of girls, whatever their eventual orientation, have crushes on females during early adolescence. I know I did (boy, I remember that girl even decades later!), and I am ridiculously heterosexual.

  2. Female sexuality is (at least in terms of what is socially acceptable) more fluid than male sexuality. This is not a slur to any gender or orientation, it’s just an observation.

As a more specific response to the OP, in our family it was always a given that CairoSon’s sexuality was fine, whatever it was. It was easy to make this explicit, because conversations would arise where his dad or I would say something like, “someday, if you have a partner or spouse, I hope you’ll want to come hiking with us. I know it is none of my business who you choose, if anyone, but I admit I secretly hope that he or she loves hiking as much as I do, because it would be awesome to climb Mauna Kea together.”

Over the years, opportunities like that tend to present themselves, and we always took advantage of them. Now we have a straight 19-year-old son who is passionate about LGBTQ rights, and I’m glad he feels that way.

>> My daughter (teen) is lesbian or bi, but she hasn’t told me. Should I bring it up?

Some relevant life experience here. My answer: no. Not directly anyway. Show her that this choice, if she makes it, is okay. Show your support for LGBTQ issues and people, find some activities leaning towards LGBTQs and go with her and or drop her off and pick her up, talk about what happened, and in this indirect way you can show that you support her if she takes that direction in her life.

Don’t encourage that direction. Merely show her that if she decides that way, that you support it.

Important question for you: do you support it? Are you okay with it? What about your husband?

Her choice, whichever it may be, is a process. Maybe a long one. She may not decide for a long time. Think of the lengthy and conflicted (and painful!) journey of Caitlyn Jenner. I’m confident you don’t want that for your daughter, right? Your daughter’s journey to her eventual destination, whether to being straight or to L or to B or wherever, is going to be difficult enough. Straight teenagers’ and adolescents’ journeys are tough enough as it is. You want your daughter’s journey to be the “normal tough”, as normal as it can be anyway.

If you minimize her anguish and you both come out of that tunnel with a loving and supportive family, all of you, then you will have won.

I have three kids, one daughter and two sons. All are in their mid-30s. One son is gay and his journey was a tough one, but he is and always has been loved by his parents and it pains me that so many of his LGBTQ friends are ostracized by their own families. We talk it out often, as often as it arises anyway.

There is too much hate in this world. What we need is love, acceptance, mutual respect, and understanding.

HTH,
Bullitt

As in most things, it depends. If you told him now, how do you think he’d take it? Sounds like you know and are thinking that to wait a little is best.

Some very insightful comments here.

I was just thinking that perhaps you could approach it by letting her know explicitly that you would be supportive of “your child” being LGBTQ without specifying or demanding an answer. If discussing youth suicides in the LGBTQ community, you could add, “Well of course, we would always support our children no matter what sexual orientation they are.”

How is your husband on the issue? Could that be a stumbling block for her?

I have to say that’s it’s so refreshing to see people who are supportive of their children. I wish my mother could accept my sister.

Your coming here to ask for advice speaks to your character as a good and caring parent.

Have you ever considered, though, the possibility that your daughter is not gay, lesbian or bi, but is just interested in comics and literature that deals with people who are and the homosexual culture and lifestyle in general. There are a lot of males who watch the Grey’s Anatomy show, for example, which of course is targeted at women.

However, it’s not unheard of for heterosexual young girls to have “crushes” on their fellow girls, but actually not be gay, as previous posters have indiated.

At my university, some girls are very touchy-feely with each other, playfully grabbing and smacking each other’s asses, as well as commenting on how “hot” they each look, even though they’re all straight. Your daughter’s antics are probably in this mold.

Has your daughter been having trouble with boys she’s wanted to date, recently? This might explain her current phase, she’s looking for companionship where she can get it, even though she is not a lesbian.

So, to conclude we are talking about the sex life of achecks, thirteen year old.

So this is how it feels to be an old man at 33.

I’m sure you’ll find someone lol

To the OP. She is thirteen. A brand new teenager. At that age they cannot be sure of their clothes size week to week and you are worried about sexuality. Doubt she knows or frankly even wants her [parents within 300 miles of the topic. You need to keep a wary eye on her, generally (cause she is you know; a teen) and be prepared to come down hard on any unsavoury or dangerous business; like entering into an age inappropriate relationship or a sudden like for very fast and dangerous motor vehicles.

Actions speak louder than words. Let her see you being loud & proud in support of gay rights and it will help spark any number of conversations.

The Portland Pride Parade is on June 18th this year. Maybe you and your daughter might like to go, as a political show of support for LGBT issues this year.
https://pridenw.org/parade-information/
Seattle Pride is the next weekend, if you’re closer to that city -

No … well, Yes, say lots of things to her. But don’t come right out and ask about this.

Then it’s time for you to give him a kick in the pants! (Spouses are good for that.) You ‘believe’ but don’t actually know – you’re unsure? Think how unsure your daughter must be. She may be delaying saying anything or asking you questions for fear of his reaction.

We? Sounds more like I. Your husband should be openly supportive too.

This is a great opportunity. Bring up something about this at the dinner table and say to your husband “<relative> won’t have their son home for Christmas since he came out as gay. Can you imagine a parent letting something minor like that disrupt their family? Ridiculous!” And then your husband chimes in agreeing with you (have him primed if need be) “Yes, it’s stupid … but <relative> has done a lot of stupid things in raising his family. He’ll probably wise up eventually.” Then go on to other topics.

Don’t involve her – just a conversation between you two when she’s there to hear it.
Then next week have a similar conversation sparked by something you hear on the news. Again, not with her – just with your spouse, but overheard by her. She needs to hear the 2 of you in conversations that indicate to her that you both will be supportive if/when she decides to say something to you. Which may be years later – seems like there are years there where teens don’t really talk to their parents.

Just to provide a counterexample: my parents were convinced for YEARS that I was gay because they never met any of my girlfriends. The truth was simply that I was painfully shy and thus didn’t have any girlfriends. When I eventually brought one home (three years into college), you could have knocked them over with a feather.

Does it need to be said out loud?

I mean, I don’t think your daughter’s sexual orientation is any kind of big secret, but depending on what kind of environment she’s growing up in, it may also not be such a big deal that she feels the need to make an announcement (would any of us expect an announcement if she was straighter than a laser beam?). If you do feel the need to mention it, do; if you don’t, don’t. Your needs and hers won’t necessarily match, but that’s part of being different people.

My brothers never announced their heterosexuality (they eventually announced their fiancées); my mother was so clueless about me that at one point she was trying to find me girlfriends (I’m not 100% hetero, but male or female, people whose idea of an enormous adventure is taking the train to go shopping 90km away bore me to tears by “hello”).

In my experience, if I am making it clear I love them and that parenting is my most important job, stuff like sexuality comes out on its own (sorry for the double entendre).

It’s little stuff, like arguing about homework or chores or follow-through - if we tackle those conversations effectively, the tough topics are possible.

Thank you everyone. Lots of good advice here.

My husband is very supportive of LBGT issues. I’m just not sure he could restrain himself from immediately talking to my daughter. :stuck_out_tongue:

Yes, what Nava said. Chalk it up as a parenting win that your daughter feels no need to come out. Our hereto kids never come out.

My not quite 12 year old at the time “came out” in the middle of a babbling story about a drama at school. I’d be lying if I did it wasn’t a little speed bump in the conversation, but upon reflection, I’m rather proud of myself that she knew me well enough to know she needn’t make a big production out of it. It was just a small detail that the person she was being teased for like liking was a girl. Go her.

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There may be embarrassment and uncomfortableness involved when either/both of you talk to her about this…but there would probably be the same if she were heterosexual or unsure.

I’ve been out since 1993. So, almost 24 years. On a weekly basis, I am still having to come out to people. The past month has been a lot more than usual because my husband has been hospitalized twice and visiting him I have to announce the relationship to the staff/guards/et al. I feel lucky that where I live I’m protected for the most part to do this. There are still places in the US where I’d be wary about even doing this. It fucking sucks still.

When I came out in the first place, the first family member I told was my aunt. She was supportive and also a bit of a gossip. She asked if she could tell the rest of the family. “Better her than me” was my position and she spread it around like peanut butter which saved me from some of the initial reactions that were unsavory. People in my family came around and accepted it, but the way it was done, it gave them time to digest everything before talking with me about it. If I had to do it all over again, I’d do it the same way.

My husband, on the hand, talked directly with his family members. Some accepted him as is. Others, mostly the parts who had converted to be Jehovah’s Witnesses, took years before they’d even talk with him again (and none of those came to the wedding even though we invited them). He said, he’s glad he did it that way though.

Everyone is different. Frankly, if my parents brought up the topic, it’d be a burden lifted from me. My husband would rather the initiative was his. So, different people have different reactions to this. But we both agree on knowing that the love we share with our family members is not conditional on our sexuality.

I agree with this. Demonstrate your acceptance, but don’t bring it up. I have a teenage daughter and I have no idea what her sexual orientation is, but I don’t make an issue of it.

I think it’s great that you are accepting of her and want to support her, but you are Mom and most teenagers don’t want to discuss their romantic life with Mom.

I wouldn’t say anything to your husband until your daughter said something to you . If your daughter said nothing to you yet this is a clear sign she not ready to talk to her parents about this yet. And if your daughter does say something to you and tell you NOT to say anything to her dad I would respect her wishes .
Of course as a parent you have to use your best judgment too and you know your daughter better than anyone here. How children do you have is your daughter the oldest one I was wondering if she had an older sister that she was close to and could talk to.