My Night with a Neanderthal.

The Setup: My best guy friend (BGF) just broke up with his girlfriend a few days ago, so last night I invited him and a few others over to help him keep his mind off of things. There ended up being only 5 of us, me, my SO, BGF, and my best friend Sue and her boyfriend–who I’ll call flaming asshole. Everyone was having a good time, the boys drank some beers and played marioKart, me and Sue made some killer margaritas and played dirty scrabble, then later we all played dice and just sat around talking. So the night is winding down, everyone’s a little drunk, and somehow the conversation gets turned around to “gay” being used as an insult. Flaming Asshole then used this opportunity to begin a rant which included the following nuggets of wisdom*

*Classifying crimes against gays as hate crimes–even when they are committed strictly out of hate–is stupid because if a gay guy beat up a straight guy that wouldn’t count.

–Now, I also think hate crimes are questionable constructs, but my reasons are at least based on personal feelings, not falsities I’ve convinced myself are true. We point out to Flaming Asshole that he’s wrong. I also ask him how often he thinks straight guys are really tortured and killed because they are straight. Cornered, he changes his point to

***Well, if a gay guy beat up a straight guy, it wouldn’t even get reported because the victim would be too embarrassed to say a “fag kicked his ass”. **

–I told him that sounded like a self-esteem problem on the part of the victim, and had nothing to do with the hate crime concept. BGF backed me up here; Sue was starting to look uncomfortable, trying to change the subject. Flaming Asshole continued,

*All the protections afforded minorities are bullshit because the white man gets nothing, the system’s always against the white guy in social crimes, blah blah blah

–I didn’t even touch his reasoning here, just because it’s such a complicated subject, and he’s too stupid to discuss it rationally. I did, however, get ten times more annoyed listening to his ‘poor oppressed white man routine’. It’s one of his favorites. He talks about the summer he “lived” on G street as if it were the dirtiest, trashiest, hoodiest place on earth. He’s “down” because he lived in such a trashole, you know? To hell with the fact that he says these things in front of me, knowing that I grew up less than a block away from this “shithood”, or that my parents and little sisters still live there. This guy grew up in an affluent part of town and went to private schools until he was kicked out into public school with the rest of us peons. He drove a brand new Talon in high school that his parents paid for (he later crased it while DUI), they sent him to college fully funded (until he flunked out). He has family connections in both the local judicial and political arenas. His mother still pays his rent sometimes. (He’s 25) Give me a fucking break. Back on hate crimes, Flaming Asshole is back to claiming that

***Hate crimes are ridiculous because when a gay beats a straight “no crime has been committed”. **

—BGF breaks in to say, “well, actually yes, it’s called assault and battery”. Everyone laughs, I want to kiss BGF, who then says that a gay doing such a thing would go to prison and perhaps end up with a large menacing cell-mate who’d add to his punishment… Flaming Asshole LOVES this idea except for one little problem

*“Yeah, but they’d like it–Haw Haw Haw!”.

Now I’m starting to get genuinely angry. I like spirited conversations, and up to this point I was frustrated yet amused. But this was too much to just let pass in my book.

I say–“Yeah, and I like hetero sex so I guess I’d love a good rapin’, huh?” My intent was simply to point out how flawed his reasoning was, I wasn’t yelling or snotty, and I think I even smiled a little to let him know I wasn’t trying to attack him personally. I guess I was hoping for a sheepish aknowledgement, an ‘ok, that was kind of dumb’ disclaimer. Instead, Flaming Asshole’s fur goes up and it’s on. He says I’m nitpicky, that I always point out his flaws (trust me I don’t, I simply don’t have enough free time for such a task), that I’m not perfect either (and I said I was when?), etc. etc. etc. He’s starting to yell. I say, “Flaming Asshole, I just meant that rape isn’t funny! There’s nothing funny about it! Sometimes I think you just say things without really thinking about it first…”

He’s interrupting me–getting louder–apparently I say things without thinking sometimes too, he tells me. I’m just getting on his ass to be a bitch.

I reiterate my position, I’m so angry I’m starting to tremble–“I don’t think rape jokes are funny FA, and I don’t want to hear them. I didn’t think it was funny at all when I got raped.” Now, my rape is not something I talk to many people about, and only BGF even knew about it before this moment.

FA gives a big dramatic sigh and rolls his eyes. “You know bella, I’m not trying to offend you (too late dickdrip!), but I’ve known a lot of women who say they’ve been raped when they haven’t.”

WAIT…A…FUCKING…MINUTE. Oh no, you didn’t…

“If you aren’t trying to offend me, than why would you even say that FA?” He couldn’t answer that… “So I’m a liar then, thanks for clearing that up for me.” I’m in tears by now and run to my room before I say something I won’t be able to take back. They leave, FA says to my SO “well I guess I’ll see you again when I’m acceptable company around here, ha ha”. I’m in my bed trying to stop shaking. My SO comes in and holds me while I cry for an hour before I can calm myself down. So to Flaming Asshole, and all you other fucks out there who open your mouth without thinking, FUCK YOU! Rape Jokes are NOT FUNNY! Especially not in mixed company, when you have NO way of knowing everyone’s history. Do you have at least ten female relatives? Then chances are one of them was also victimized, how would your mother like to hear you telling jokes about something she fell prey to? Would you think it was funny if someone raped your little sister?

I was nine years old when I was raped by a cousin, and while the act was confusing and painful, it was all the nasty little comments and jokes and half-laughs–and the ‘blame the victim’ attitudes reflected in them–that made me feel dirty for years afterward. It took me a long time to reconcile that frightening experience with a healthy sense of my sexuality, and I went through five lovers before I could even begin to let down some of the walls I had had to build over the years to keep out the poison spewed by ogres like FA. I’m a grown woman now, and I haven’t cried over what happened to the 9-year-old girl that I was in over five years. Until last night.

Thanks a lot asshole, way to prove your manhood.

I just want to be the first in what I’m sure will be a long line of people who want to kick FA’s ass for you. Maybe we can organize it into a DopeFest! BYOBaseball Bat!

FA sounds like a real asshat. Total and complete waste of organic matter.

My condolences, if that helps any.

Thanks guys. What’s even more frustrating is that I consider(ed) this guy to be a friend of mine. It’s only when he’s drunk that he starts talking this kind of shit, but it’s gotten to be such a reliable outcome of his drinking that it really makes me think he’s just holding back the rest of the time.

As for the BYOBaseball Bat fest…I’m IN! Hell–I’ll even supply the bats. It’ll be a BYORighteous Indignation fest…

Sorry your friend is hooked-up with such a loooOOoooser.

This is the second time in a week that I’ve thought the pillory would be appropriate…

Ghod, I think I know that guy. My brother in law is just like that. I wish I could say my sister is any better, but she’s just as bad. In my sister’s case it’s even worse, because I know she was raised better than that.

Well, bella I am in Delaware if you need me and my army of angry friends. I have a crowbar named Rusty that this shitwit needs to meet. Rusty doesn’t talk without thinking. He just stops other people from thinking.

:eek:

I cannot believe he said that! My jaw actually dropped. What a nitwit!

First: I loved the line about “that I always point out his flaws (trust me I don’t, I simply don’t have enough free time for such a task).”

Second: What the heck is “Dirty Scrabble?”

To call this waste of valuable donor organs a Neanderthal is to insult prehistoric humans everywhere.

I’m sorry you had to be subjected to that. I’ll bring the torches and pitchforks.

Just 2 questions: [ul]
[li]Why does your friend put up with this Neanderthal?[/li][li]Does he realize that he may never be “acceptable company” again?[/li][li]Hi, Opal! (I hate to interupt the righteous outrage, but this is my first chance to do that!)[/li][/ul]

I’ve spent way too much of my life dealing with idiots like him, and I’m sorry you had to do it in your own home. BGF sounds like a great guy, though. Please tell him that for me – it sounds like he needs to hear it.

Congratulations on sticking by your guns and refusing to affirm his view point that everyone thinks like him but is afraid to admit it. Oh, and if the Dopefest being held in honor of this guy is BYOWeapon, I’ve got some beautiful fencing swords I’d like to contribute! :slight_smile:

CJ
Nolo te bastardes carborundum!
Don’t let the bastards get you down!

looks around room for large, blunt object

Neanderthals actually had larger brains than modern humans, so perhaps that’s not an accurate term for this, ah…thing.

What this guy said makes him a major asshole. But for what it’s worth, I bet he isn’t just holding back the rest of the time. Obviously you the know the guy and the situation better than I do, but in my experience, it is usually the alcohol speaking. Alcohol doesn’t loosen the tongue, so much as make it say some really fucked up things. I am a former Catholic. I have serious issues with the Catholic church. But when I used to drink I used to go on these rants about people attacking the Catholic church or being biased against the church. This was a complete corruption of the fact that I am not ashamed to be Catholic. It really made no sense that I would get that angry over that particular issue.

Also, you never know how much alcohol it takes to make people spout bullshit.

I don’t mean this as an argument to forgive this man, but maybe it will be a little easier for you to process what he said if you can accept it was alcohol.

This is perhaps only tangentially related, but the OP immediately made me think of Straight Answers. From the rants page:

Uhhhh…yeah, sure. The murder poll it links to makes for some enlightening reading.

Oh for fuck’s sake. You’re almost as bad as the dickhead in question. Do you honestly think that someone deserves to be beaten half to death for being stupid? Yes, he deserves to be shunned and if he had said such things in my house he would never be allowed back but beaten with a blunt object in a many against one fight seems a bit excessive, don’t you think? Thanks a lot, tough guy, you’re my new hero. :rolleyes:

Haj

That cousin on the other hand, he’s a whole different story.

Ahem. May I humbley offer to bitch-slap this man with my shoe? No, really - it’s my pleasure. The shoe is a wooden soled clog. I can do a lot of damage with a clog…

<Hiding splintered, bloody baseball bat behind back>

Yeah, where the hell do you get off, red_dragon? Violence never solves anything! Why, I oughta kick your ass for even suggesting such a thing!

Dirty Scrabble–n, version of scrabble in which all entries must be either sexual or insulting in nature.
(It’s actually pretty hard!)

I don’t know. She’s cute, smart, and confident, so she must get something out of the deal I can’t see. He’s only Flaming Asshole when drunk, but the rest of the time he’s still pretty pushy and overbearing. Bleh. We get along pretty well except for moments like these, where he says something I have to disagree with and he bristles over being “corrected”. He doesn’t distinguish between attacking an argument and attacking the arguer. Hence his hurtful attack on me last night.

I doubt it. We’re supposed to get together tonight, here, for our weekly game session. I have absolutely no intention of letting him in unless the first words out of his mouth are an apology. A sincere one.

I do take it into consideration. But like I said it’s happened more than once. The last diatribe I remember was about Mike Tyson, and how the women who accused him of rape were just money-grubbing–and besides, even if he did rape them it wasn’t his fault. His “handlers” should have never let him into a building full of beautiful women because it’s “like putting a fox in the henhouse”. And the women shouldn’t have been around him because they knew they were hot and they knew he was a rapist. But he’s not a rapist because they’re all really just gold-digging whores.
I mean–this is disgusting. I sat through it that night, and the regret I had for not saying anthing is part of what prompted me to speak up last night.

And hajario, I see your point but I think red_dragon was just trying to be supportive. I don’t think he’d show up here with a crowbar even if I begged. Although, if he did, you’re damn skippy that I’d love to show him where my cousin lives.

Thank you all for your responses and support. Part of the reason I was so upset is that I felt unsure of whether I had overreacted or been overly sensitive. I’m glad to see that my position isn’t completely unsupported.

thank you
bella

*still searching for blunt object

No problem, belladonna!