You went (paraphrasing slightly) from “it’s worth it to lynch a claimed mason even if we’re wrong” to “it’s not worth it to lynch a claimed mason”. You had a lot of verbiage in the first post explaining why gnarly might be scum prior to that statement, but you still made it. And then you directly contradicted it, with no reason given why IIRC. I don’t see why there being extra claims out there (or anything Pizza said in the post your responded to) changes the math on this. It could change, hypothetically, how likely you find it that gnarly is actually scum, but that’s not what you said your decision was based on, arguably in the first case, definitely in the second.
I think we must be. I have been hopping around like a bunny rabbit so I will go with you. I was going to mention something about a sheep but I’d better not to you 
Unvote
Vote Giraffe
And if you all think I don’t know what is going on, that’s just because it’s true.
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well we could always lynch him. takes care of two issues. and it rids us of a scum. kind of a side benefit, so to speak.
NAF, I was about to change over to blaster when Inner Stickler came in and said that everyone needed to vote for one of SilverJan, Gnarly, me, or Weedy. Really? No opinions on the game, just we need to vote for one of the 4 people who are likely town?
based on the claims I don’t like voting Jan or gnarly
anyone want to give me cliffs on the others receiving votes?
I caught that too although there are more than one scum in the game and Peeker is being absolutely adamant that Giraffe is scum.
I don’t want to vote any of the people who claimed an investigation
I’d rather decide on it after more information is released and wolves have widdled it down for us
LOL, peeker is always adamant. Doesn’t mean he’s town, and doesn’t mean he’s right.
And… this is a terrible idea. If any of these messages are from scum or there are any role blockers or redirectors, we can easily let scum manipulate this. And it’s only useful IF we assume the 5 cop setup, which you seem to be sure is in place with no real reason other than your assertion.
Ideally, we get more and more total reads, we can make guesses about their chances at accuracy, and we can then get a fuzzy value for towniness. At this point, all we can really say for sure is that they are definitelly not all accurate or all inaccurate because of the conflicting results.
well i am town and sooner or later even a blind pig finds an acorn.
I am waffeling on BlaM which means nothing other than I sometimes have a hard time making up my mind, when I made the switch it was a coin flip who I thought was scummier and I wanted to see what Stickler would do but after that post I think Sticks is scum and BlaM is only likely scum.
Sticks, I think, overplayed his hand in his response to you and gave himself away as someone who has not been keeping up, and who has a vested interest in having one of those players he listed lynched. He was also acting a bit like a bully which is somewhat out of character for him, but the writing off of your case like it was not real is also a scum tactic.
I am totally fine with the BlaM lynch if that is where the Day goes, particularly if it means one of the claimants doesn’t get lynched, but I think IS is the better lynch of the two.
Made it to #2000.
Og help me, I may be siding with PizzaGuy in #2000.
We have 5 messages running around, none concerning their recipients’ targets. As far as I’ve gotten, nobody can claim with certainty Doc or true Cop. Yet we have the trio, TexCat & gnarlycharlie & Weedy, confirming that TexCat and gnarly are masons; plus TexCat is claimed by the other two in that circle to be Town. It seems to me that D2 is too early in the game for Scum to pull the fake-mason gambit if they don’t need to. (But Scum need to be unpredictable.)
Given the mason circle, I think TexCat and gnarlycharlie ought to be considered confirmed for now, until we figure out the investigations muddle.
I’ll have to see what’s been posted in the last 20+ minutes. I expect far too many posts.
Except that, when I made the first statement, I was only aware of Idle’s, Ben’s, and Jan’s claims of peeks. The second one was made after Weedy’s and Giraffe’s claims. Thus, in the first case, the value of the peeks is considerably higher than in the second case AND there’s more reason to believe the Mason claim because of what Weedy said.
In short, stronger peeks (and likely that at least one of them was a bold faced lie) vs. a weak mason claim is a completely different situation than weak peeks of which at least one is untrue vs. a strong mason claim by virtue of a third party claim.
Jesus, you all are just reading what I said and forgetting that, when I said it, I didn’t have all the information we do now. Big surprise that new information gets revealed and it changes my opinion, apparently.
This is particularly funny coming from you.
This day was a crazy read. I had a long ass post explaining my thoughts on the optimal vote today, but Dancecat recently gave the cliffs version here:
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We have no idea who has received correct alignment. In the case that there are mystic seers (A chooses Bs investigation, B chooses C’s, C chooses A’s etc) I am not voting for any of them today.
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We also cannot tell which alignments are correct after a sample size of 1 night. We can start working it out tomorrow with a larger sample.
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I’m never ever lynching a claimed mason this early. If we get towards the endgame and both are alive then we can reevaluate, but not now.
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Again, can reevaluate this as the game progresses, but am not lynching anyone like this today.
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Will not make a useless vote obviously.
Vote Blaster Master
In retrospect that vote looks a lot more potentially opportunistic than it did yesterday, but it didn’t remotely ping me at the time. Inner is like that.
I’d like to know why Inner thinks any of Jan, gnarly, or Texcat (or Weedy, as an afterthought – and why is Weedy an afterthought?) is very likely to be scum – that’s the only context in which his near-threat makes any sense.
If Inner is scum, I bet Jan is also.
sigh, anyone want to quote this mykbot post that tex misrepresented or whatever?
I haven’t overplayed anything but your sudden interest in Texcat’s fixation intrigues me. I’ve been keeping up a hell of a lot more than half the players here. Pretty much the entire conversation that has happened on this last page is a retread of the conversation from last night. We got a bunch of alignment claims and everyone seems to think they should all be hands-off. I want to jump in the middle and get some answers.
Hello, pwnsall, who are you subbing in for?
Timelady
I read through her posts a bit but it seems to be mostly talking about game mechanics