Or both. As I said last night I think that means you (and me) are not the backup vig If we were there would have been more shots fired than just one.
NETA: I accept Idle’s claim of NAF’s role as accurate, and do not trust Idle’s claim of NAF’s alignment – or indeed, Idle’s claims of anybody’s alignment. Given that Idle was not a traitor to the Wolves, his list of the remaining Scum is extremely unlikely to be fully accurate.
So: PizzaGuy got two messages of “WOLF!” Idle kept claiming that he sent the one about Episkey. Idle also claimed lots of other stuff. So his posts shouldn’t be trusted. Scummy Scum is Scummy.
So it’s back to good old analysis of both of them.
Why? I feel like I missed something here.
Crackedquads is on my list due to his initial response to Idle’s “we’re gonna kill him” post; I’ll go grab it.
Yeah, that’s what I’m asking. Random is possible but not exactly satisfying.
Day Two is probably the most useful in that regard – BlasterMaster’s lynch.
This:
“when you don’t actually NK me I’ll get lynched” feels self-conscious enough that if there is a wolf among the players named by Idle that are not NAF or Episkey, my first guess would be cracked quads.
This might make sense if NAF targeted you and Normal Phase really is a roleblocker (like it says in the PM she received).
I agree it’s not satisfying. However, as a practical matter I cannot discern between:
[ol]
[li]Random selection[/li][li]Choice (or other action) by another player[/li][li]Gadarene deciding who best to fuck with[/li][/ol]
Here is what we know about Scuba and Episkey’s messages. Just playing the percentages, we’ve got two true messages from Scuba Ben to one false message from Episkey. It’s not much to go on (and Scuba could be lying although I’m not sure what he would gain from that) but I’m willing to vote based on this (mostly because it’s confusing, is taking up too much of town’s time and it’s a holiday weekend!).
If Scuba is sending out true alignment, then either Episkey or NAF is scum. If Episkey is sending out false alignment (which seems apparent given the gnarly message), then the NAF message is very likely to be true.
Scuba Ben targets gnarlycharlie and gets a message that gnarly is town (True)
Scuba Ben targets Giraffe who gets a message that pwnsall is town (Unknown)
Scuba Ben targets AskthePizzaGuy who gets a message that NAF is scum (Unknown) and one that Episkey is scum (Unknown)
Scuba Ben targets Weedy and gets a message that Weedy is town (True)
Scuba Ben targets Drain Bead who gets a message that Ed is town (Unknown)
Episkey targets Jan who gets a message that gnarly is scum (False)
Episkey targets AskthePizzaGuy who gets a message that NAF is scum (Unknown) and one that Episkey is scum (Unknown)
Episkey targets gnarly and gets a message that pwnsall is scum (Unknown)
Episkey targets pwnsall who gets a message that Episkey is scum (Unknown)
**
vote NAF**
Also, it’s Labor Day weekend and I have plans so I will not have much time to participate between now and the end of the Day.
@ lilflower – only if NAF really is a power-stealer and not just a mimic; otherwise my own choices should also have been blocked. I’m not about to force revelation of roleblock or lack thereof out of people of unknown alignment, but none other than Idle have ever claimed freely. And NAF-as-power-stealer has more or less been disproven: I had two actions last night (from NAF’s action of the previous night); Drain Bead also claims two actions last night (from the original owner of the power, Special Ed).
Bloody heck. I goofed and misread my own notes. :smack: :smack: :smack:
On Night 1, Drain Bead reflected me from targeting gnarlycharlie to targeting me. That I had reported accurately.
What I misreported was my table of messages. The ACTUAL message I received was that Silver Jan is a Villager. SHE got the message about gnarlycharlie.
I’m astounded it took me this long to catch this mistake. {poke} {self}
And to correct your list, on N3 I targeted myself not Weedy.
If I recall correctly, the only claims of being roleblocked (not including Idle for obvious reasons) are pwnsall (Night 1) and Ed (Night 3).
If you are a roleblocker, I think there would be one more person blocked last Night since NAF would have blocked them (since he was mimicking you).
You said you targeted crackedquads. Was it Night 1? I just noticed something in my notes (so I’m not sure if I wrote this down correctly) about pwnsall saying she targeted crackedquads Night 1 and was blocked. I don’t know if that means anything but it’s an interesting coincidence.
No, it was night three. My RNG’ed pick (I had no computer access).
Suburban Plankton also claimed to have been roleblocked last night; he said he tried to track you but couldn’t.
I thought I posted this this morning, but I cannot find it:
I think you play the game differently.
I’m going to ignore everything Idle said after his claim because it’s WiFoM on top of WiFoM.
I mean, did he initially try to clear a Scumbuddy NAF and then go over the top trying to have him lynched so we’d think NAF was Town?
Or did he do it so that we’d think that he went over the top so that we’d think NAF was Town?
So, I can’t be sure if he was trying to protect a Scumbuddy NAF with his claim or if he was hoping to earn some Townie Cred by giving a positive result on NAF.
What I don’t like about NAF:
- His continual smudging of me. He claims I seem scummy but hasn’t even given a metagame reason. He just puts it out there without any support, even acknowledging that he can’t think of anything I’ve done.
- There is a wolf read on him. We’ve already had 2 false reads. (Gnarly and Blam, right?) how many false reads are out there? I have to believe that one of NAF or Episkey are true reads.
- His power appears to be a ‘stealing’ power more than a ‘mimic’ power.
- Idle identified NAF’s power before NAF did (I think) Tbat means he knew it either through a Scum investigation or because NAF is a Scumbuddy.
I don’t think I’ve voted yet
**Vote: NAF **
[quote=“Normal_Phase, post:4337, topic:593025”]
I like all of this but the conclusion that Idle’s original claim about NAF is necessarily true (as to alignment, the other part seems solid). NAF has for the most part avoided pinging me (the peeker vote did slightly, the comments about Special Ed did maybe), but he’s a good player, and he did back off his own bandwagon on Blaster once it picked up steam. Maybe more to the point, Idle’s certainly ballsy enough to lie about a fellow scum’s alignment right off the bat like that./quote]
As I recall, you echoed his comments on me, promised an analysis and failed to deliver.
I targeted you.
Yes, I’d say the probability of him being a Villager is 100%, considering he was killed last Night.
I don’t disagree with your vote (since I’m voting for NAF as well) but I will say that I was able to use my power last Night so I don’t think he is a power stealer (but that doesn’t make him town, either). As for you targeting buff Night 3 and she claiming she didn’t get two targets, it occurred to me that you might have been redirected in some way (it seems that we have some roles that redirect targets without notifying the targeter so it’s a possibility). And I’ll give that my standard disclaimer since I don’t know anything about your or buff’s alignment at this point: There is always the possibility that you and/or buff is lying.
Why would you assume this? It would be a conflict for a former Scum to return as Town, but I see no conflict with a Townie returning as Scum (or 3rd Party).
But the Night after NAF visited me, my power appeared to fail.
How could you have gotten 2 actions from NAF when he used that power on himself? That is what allowed him to target you and Lilflower, and my power appeared to return to me.
If you were doubled because NAF continues to pass on my power for multiple Nights, why didn’t lilflower get doubled?
This is much too inconsistent with how things appear to have unfolded.
Unvote: NAF
Vote: Normal Phase
You’re not providing an accurate depiction of how the events should have unfolded.
When NAF targeted you, he should have stolen your power. He doesn’t provide you with any power, let alone mine.
Did you receive a complete Role PM, like **Ed **and PCM did?