Ah. Ok. Love the word “douchecanoe,” may have to import (read: steal) it and use it much on my regular board.
ha ha ha! that’s Sister Coyote. not laughing at your mistake though. sounds like a religious name but she’s far from holy. she can be quite evil. 
runs from Sister Coyote
Oh, and the Seer thing. If fake-peeking is now supposed to be any sort of get out of lynch free card (or so much as a reason to even consider not voting someone), I refuse to sign up. If its purpose is to WIFOM the scum, then it must remain there. As soon as it starts taking aim at the town it starts being a bad idea. I don’t know if this is also a cultural difference or just an excuse not to really fully consider a vote for Kraz, but it rubs me all kinds of wrong.
I think I want to clear you for this though. Any idea why?
Because scum worry about looking townie because they aren’t, and Town don’t worry about looking Townie because they are.
“should have known better” means that you think that MykBot both knew it was a bad idea and said it anyway. In other words, he said something he knew to be anti-Town, but decided to float the idea… because what? town wouldn’t notice?
It doesn’t make logical sense.
Did someone claim and I missed it? Or Something?
And if someone did, then why would we even believe it? There was only one night action. Most everyone should have no idea what their role is.
Am I to believe that we started the game with only the investigator allowed to act the first night? That’s kind of shitty, though perhaps less so given the large size and promised high mortality rate.
How is this remotely helpful?
This I can accept, sort of. But that won’t happen until n2 at the earliest by which time the game state would have shifted dramatically. Calling for a Vig kill at this point still seems rather useless to me. But I’d rather know what you are thinking rather than not know what you are thinking so, okay.
well, if wolves wanna hunt masons over cops they’re more than welcome to
imo
that being said, if a wolf had a mason they’d be more inclined (at least I would be) to keep that person alive, as it narrows down the pool of power role suspects, as well as having that mason clear them somewhat in the thread
Polite request for vote count, as I have no freakin’ idea how things stand.
I’m thinking in this game specifically as I’d be amazed if the wolves have only one killing move a night. In more traditional games, yes, a scum mason should probably be working more on decption and subterfuge. (Of course scum masons kind of blow up the whole point of masons.)
Excellent post. Jesus Christ, Normal, we’re not supposed to agree so much on Day One. It’s not seemly.
Yep. MykBot has played this mystery game before. Targeting yourself wasn’t that bad an idea, and MykBot might have thought some naive townies might actually take him up on it. Not the worst Day one vote I’ve ever made. MykBot has since come back and explained further. I’ve unvoted and moved on to lilflower, who is the one who mis-stated so egregiously my case on MykBot.
I don’t know why I seem to be constantly responding to your posts (I’m not stalking you, really), but here Jesters/Fools are not used. We find them dumb and boring.
Similarly, long ago we had a few Millers, but general consensus is that they suck and are unfun to play, so since we all play for fun, generally no millers no jesters.
septimus, to be totally honest, if people are too naive to reflect upon that possibility unless I spell it out in a careful crayon step-by-step, that’s on them.
I can’t imagine that you really believe that my nefarious plot is to trick everyone into suicide. That’s absurd.
Reading through this whole peeker thing… I’m disinclined to think scum from his behavior for two reasons. First, there seems to be an assumption that being called on his post style and then “reverting” is a scum tell. If anything, it reads to me as frustration, and frustration at being wagoned for style could easily surface as both scum or town. Instead, I’d expect a rational scum response to be to maintain his style, not change it when called on it.
Second, I generally frown on excessive use of previous play-styles because it could mean anything. Say someone played a bit recklessly as town in one game and got lynched for it, then they’re more reserved in the next game. It could mean that they’re scum and they saw that the attention got them lynched so they lay low. It could also mean that he’s a power role and he’s worried about becoming a lynch target and being forced to claim. Or it could mean he’s town and realized he made a mistake and learned from it. Obviously the power role aspect is moot in this game at this point, but I don’t see any meaningful way to distinguish the scum and town motivations.
Instead, I see it as potentially an opportunistic vote. I think those who initially pointed out the difference is probably a null tell, but I do think that the “me too” votes could be hiding scum, regardless of what peeker’s alignment actually is. Obviously, if he’s town, it’s an easy chance to get a miss-lynch and shrug the blame off onto those who started the wagon. If he’s scum, they might see him as a lost cause and simply be trying to hop on the wagon early to gain some town cred. Either way, I would think that there’s probably a decent chance of one of the scum being in there.
legit Lol’d irl
MODERATOR NOTE
Sangaman will be subbing in for Meeko. Sanga is also an otherboarder (heh; I like that name), but he’s only played a total of one game over there, so he’s relatively new and probably quite impressionable.
Another vote count also coming up.
But quite a funny too, maybe it’s just my sense of humour about tricking everyone into a mass suicide.
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Clearing townies early isn’t always easy for wolves, as they don’t always know who’s going to be a viable mislynch candidate down the road and don’t want to have to incriminate themselves by going back on a strong read. A player clearing half the thread on d1 is, in my experience and observation, much more likely to be a villager than a wolf. There are also some people that suck at hunting wolves without a couple days’ worth of information to go on. Sometimes, I am one of those people. Ok, most times I am one of those people and don’t really get good at scumhunting 'till midgame. But even though I can’t necessarily find a wolf d1, I can always find a villager (or three) which will often be tremendously helpful when it comes time to determine the remaining wolves by process of elimination. If this doesn’t make sense, just say so and I’ll be happy to elaborate on it further, but clearing villagers can be just as vital to winning as scumhunting. All player dependent, of course.
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I softcleared Ed because he basically typed what I was thinking when I read Silver Jan’s post. Maybe he can thoroughly fake a villagery process as a wolf, but it’s more likely that he can’t (although I admit I know nothing about his level of experience) and therefore I’m inclined to think that since I’m a villager and I thought that way, he is probably also a villager since he is also thinking that way.
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The early vote on NAF wasn’t a one trick pony. Its purpose was made evident by what followed it. If NAF had reacted in a scummy way or defended his idea 'till he was blue in the face despite all evidence to the contrary, my vote would have stayed put. Instead, it generated good strat discussion in which NAF was decently villagery, so I moved my vote elsewhere.
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I can’t always control when I’m able to post. That I wasn’t able to make that case on Silver Jan myself was a function of timing, but since Ed was there and I wasn’t, he did it first. I can’t really help that. Of course, you have no way of knowing whether I’m telling the truth, so this is probably moot to you.
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Timelady was half right. I wanted to clear her for her mentioning how awesome her wolf game is (she has historically downplayed it when she’s wolfed), but she didn’t get why I wanted to vote her. The early vote on Mykbot, who is an excellent player, without any real reason didn’t sit well with me. But now it looks like it was a joke “because i can” type of vote.
Between this and the recent references to classic-game debacles (hah, I said debacle) like the Wikipedia thing, I’m suddenly in a giggle-fit. 'Scuse me, I’ll be back when I’ve composed myself. 
On the contrary – this is how Idle plays, period, even as a Wolf; he’s very interested in keeping people “scum hunting”. I don’t know from mykbot.
And for whoever it was complaining that we do tend to lean toward “scum will do that” – it’s because Scum Will. Scum will do anything to win the game; that’s their job. Saying that Scum wouldn’t do “x” just gives Scum a free pass.
But then, I’m paranoid enough that I don’t even trust claimed Masons until one of them is dead, so take that for what it’s worth.
That would be SisterCoyote, I think, and I do tend to stay in the background on Day One. I haven’t had anything to add that hasn’t been said by quicker and wiser posters than I, and I’m used to smaller games at a much slower pace so I’m having a little trouble keeping up.
Can you elaborate on what seems off to you? I had a pretty similar thought process as Ed about Jan’s vote.