Wow, I don’t even know where to begin with this one, but your logic is awful here. It essentially boils down to “scum wouldn’t do that”, and yet almost every time the town has settled on something like that, the scum have done it and the town gets screwed.
That said, despite the fact that this logic is awful, it’s awful because you didn’t consider well why you might have done what you’ve done as PFK or as scum. IME, that actually tends to be the sign of town otherwise you’re talking about FPS (Is that the abbreviation they were using?) for scum.
So, I’m inclined to believe you for now, but I’m quite interested to see how things play out with your target Tonight and a potential cluster of abilities targetted on you.
What about e: Pizza is scum who either really thinks he’s a Vig (or really is one)?
Please note: This is NOT a smudge against Pizza (who I haven’t gotten any reads on yet, at all, despite Peeker going nuts on him). What it is is showing you options you forgot which, again, I can’t understand that the POGers don’t see in order to “clear” someone.
All such claims are situational, and you know that. You can’t seriously compare “scum wouldn’t do that” situations between themselves. Almost everything that happens in the entire game is a question of whether or not the scums would “do that”.
You’re harshly oversimplifying a fundamental concept of mafia. Your logic is what’s awful here.
That you know of. I yak a lot but maybe I don’t say everything that’s on my mind.
Wait, so first you said that “scum wouldn’t do that” is awful logic, then you turned around and said I wouldn’t do what I did as such-and-such an alignment? Or that it was less likely?
You’re arguing with yourself now. Be careful about claiming I have awful logic, because them’s fightin words.
You keep asking that like it means something. Even in the unlikely/improbable (the phrasing of the rules makes me think it’s impossible) event that mykbot was silenced, you can’t even be remotely sure that you’re the one who did it.
Yeah, that would be a pretty good Wolf ploy, huh?
I’m going to vote peeker at the moment. I’d like to think that a town peek wouldn’t play in such an anti-Town fashion. I know he’s over-the-top on a regular basis, but this is over-the-top-of-the-top. All this noise feels like a scum (or possibly neutral) ploy, one that only peeker could pull off.
I still find silver jan as suspicious as I did yesterDay, and the scuba ben case is quite believable, but as of right now, peeker has earned my vote.
This one is already ruled out by the game moderator who said that townies would know they’re townie and mafia would know they’re mafia, just not what ability they have. So discard it.
man i don’t get this at all. guess it has to do with the whole Night kind of thingamabob. holy crud gad when we enter the arena we do it with full knowledge. how can any interaction be “anti game”. guess since what i do is not what you would do i am kind of an outcast. heebuz.
This possibility can pretty much be eliminated bc the wolf vig would NEVER want to draw that kind of attention to themselves. Making a claim like this means that the player is going to be under a LOT of scrutiny if they’re not dead in a couple days, so doing this as a wolf vig would pretty much be suicide. It’s such a bad move that I feel pretty comfortable eliminating it from the realm of possibilities, given that Pizza seems to be a competent player.
You said I was under the impression I was a town vig as scum.
Pizza is scum who either really thinks he’s a Vig (or really is one)*
Unless you mean I think I’m the scumbag with a bog-standard murder as my only power?
Then I wouldn’t think I’m a vigilante, I’d think I was a grunt, which is a rather crappy role for a mafioso in a game where literally no one is supposed to be vanilla.
I mean, in a game of this type, impossible is nothing. But it’s so unlikely that I think we can safely disregard it for all practical purposes. Even if you want to include it in the list, it’s still much more likely than not that Pizza is town.
Okay, at least I get your reasoning now. You’re chalking it up to a “Scum would never do that” theory, then.
No, I said you might have been under the impression you were a Vig, I didn’t say Town at all (and I don’t know why I would if my point was that scum could have a Vig role too, among them).
Moot point now since I understand better why Dancecat left that one out. I still don’t ever like the “scum would never do that” reason, though, but it might just be another cultural difference.
That’s how my case against you was summed up originally by others, but even when I expressed my suspicion Yesterday, it was with regard to unvoting Krayz, clearing him, then putting your vote back. I don’t remember exactly where I made a detailed case, but I’m sure you’ll find it as you catch up.
The thing is, I was able to come up with what I felt was reasonable scum motivation for your behavior, particularly in light of having forgotten that you cleared someone, which is also not unlikely for scum to do since they already know what alignment everyone is.
Frankly, this means nothing to me. Anyone could claim anything about last Night. In fact, I strongly suspect that scum would want to reveal things because townies want to. Imagine that at some point someone with an identifiable role comes up for a lynch, makes a claim and lists all of their targets. If everyone else they targeted says they got someone and one person doesn’t, I’ll be suspicious of them.
Or it’s also possible that you got some other information and lied about it, like you know you were role-blocked or some-such. You can always try to argue at some point that redirections or whatever were involved, but if you can convince someone that their power is best used on someone they trust to be townie when it’s actually best used on someone their suspicious of, you can possibly block a cop or doc.
So, in short, I see no way to differentiate between pro-town and anti-town motivation, so it’s a straight up null for me.
The vast majority of votes on Day 1 are going to be weak. There’s little information to go on. It’s about the nature of the votes, particularly timing and the alignments of the other potential lynchees that play into it.
I’ve already addressed the value of Me Toos, in fact, but going “look someone else did it” doesn’t mean anything. Inevitably, both town and scum will Me Too Vote. That said, I’m personally suspicious of Weedy already, if my plain chastising wasn’t enough, for having his vote you and then expressing concern about how the wagon is building. If you flip scum, it doesn’t mean much, but if you flip town, it could stink of PIS and trying to shrug off responsibility for voting on the wagon. But I can’t make the differentiation until Tomorrow.
Not sure what to make of it, but it is interesting that you claim your message is that one of the late wagons Yesterday that I think your vote may have been protecting is a villager. I’ll have to give it some thought on what it might mean if you flip scum, but it’s probably just WIFOM.
