Yeah masons never vote each other. Or at least, they never should, and any two somewhat competent players with a few games under their belts would know this.
Also Tex, if you and gnarlycharlie are masons, where is your code? Or do you not do that? Or do you not want to point to it until one of you is dead? Answer quickly please.
Look, she has a Magic Bag and, how she’s talking about it, it doesn’t sound like a peek. The point is, if she IS a seer, the scum already know if GnarlyCharlie is a wolf or not. She needs to give us an unambiguous reason why he’s a wolf so we can appropriately determine the strength of the dichotomy here. Hell, for all I know, she saw him target one of the Townies that died last Night and assumed that he must have been a Wolf because he targetted them, but he was targetting him for other reasons.
But at this point, I have no way of knowing if it’s real or not, or if it’s really even a peek, so there’s no way of assessing the risk. Instead, I believe all we do know is that one is Wolf and one is not, so I should vote for the one of the two I am most inclined to believe is a Wolf. Her as a possible alternative to the Krayz wagon Yesterday whereas I have no read on GnarlyCharlie, I’m inclined to think it’s her.
If she’s going to claim Seer, fine, I’m willing to lynch GnarlyCharlie, because we’ll have a true dichotomy and, on preview, as I see septimus also claimed to have been protected last Night in addition to NAF, we likely have two doctors who can keep her alive for an indefinite amount of time.
Regardless, as long as it’s a Magic Bag and not an actual claim, all it’s going to do is create confusion wherein the only ones who know what’s actually going on here is the scum.
Now I’m concerned. If Jan’s first target was still alive at the end of the Day (as she states), doesn’t Gad’s response mean that the first target is the one she acted on?
Does anyone think that **Jan **should tell us who her original target was? If **gnarlycharlie **turns up town and **Jan **turns up town, it’s possible her original target is the wolf here, right?
Jan, I’m not sure if you can answer this, but if you can, did you get a PM that explicitly stated **gnarlycharlie **was a wolf? Or was it something like “your target is a wolf.”
I’m not going to automatically give credence to a Magic Bag. The wolves know if she’s honest or not already, because they know the alignments, keeping the Magic Bag doesn’t help us.
That said, I’m not averse to lynching GnarlyCharlie, I just don’t want us to automatically just believe a Magic Bag claim, I at least want some discussion about it.
I don’t want to lynch gnarlycharlie. I really don’t want to lynch Silver Jan. I now think that the best play is to lynch Texcat for false claiming, wagon resolution, fun, and profit. If Tex can prove that he and charlie are masons, we can look elsewhere, but he’s making himself a really obvious lynch target right now.
I really don’t get this logic at all. I can see us wanting to know more about Jan’s claim but if it comes down to her thinking she is a cop and she has a read on a scum, the suspected scum should go first. I don’t think we will know her actual role by the end of this Day, though. And it seems very anti-town to lynch her just because she doesn’t know her role, i.e., if there is a chance she is a cop, we need to keep her in the game.
In the last game you could peek to mason. You would never start the game with a mason, but there would be a person (or people) who you could become masons with if you targeted them at night.
I definitely got the information that gnarly is a wolf and as I am not allowed to post the actual PM this is what I thought. At first I was curious as to why my 2nd target got a result but as I pondered further I came to think that someone else must have targeted gnarly and I got their night action instead of whomever sent the action out. I have just re read my PM and **Gnarly **IS a wolf, whether I am a seer or not I have no idea but I didn’t kill anyone either as far as I know.
How do I manage to get myself into messes like this? Yes, it’s a rhetorical question.
It just doesn’t make any sense to me. I read your whole posts here (despite snipping it down to just this) and I’m still suspicious that you’d choose the accuser over the accused. We have actual information that can be confirmed or shown as false simply by lynching the one that we have the apparent info on.
So you think it’s possible that we have two roles who can give information to others? And maybe only one of those recipients claimed to have gotten information yesterDay? Interesting. I wonder if we do have cops but their results are sent elsewhere.
What I don’t understand is that if **Jan **(and **Idle **and Scuba) got their information because of some other players’ actions, where are the results of their own actions? Not that I want them to claim anything but it is curious.
That’s a good point (and one I’m curious to see the answer to myself), however I can’t see info being given like that. (As in, I can’t see the results being “Yes, they’re a wolf”..so that Jan doesn’t know who it’s talking about).
My PM was pretty clear on who it was talking about, it said “Dancecat” by name, so I’m assuming it was pretty clear to her that she was being told gnarly was a wolf.
It’s also possible that one of our dead folks was the recipient of the info. I can also see plenty of reasons why a living person wouldn’t share that they’d received any info.
Since I was already working on this I’ll post it now . It’s a rough draft on ** gnarlycharlie’s ** participation. Not all of his posts and not in order. [spoiler]
That end bit sounds very Scummy
Setting things up so he can “pressure vote”
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No real substance here. I planned to polish this and ask charlie to step up his game. not the confidence I expect from a Town ** gnarly **
I’ll be more substantial when I get home from work. It is a rough draft but since this came up I decided to get this out there for consideration anyway.
Let me see if I can get all the relevant claims right.
Scuba_Ben got a message that Silver Jan is Town Silver Jan has a magic bag that says GnarlyCharlie is a wolf. TexCat claims that her and GnarlyCharlie are masons.
So if Jan is lying, she’s a wolf, and we have two confirmed Townies.
If she’s telling the truth, we have a potential Seer confirmed and two confirmed Wolves.
Here’s how I see it playing out:
1a) We can lynch GnarlyCharlie and he’s town, we get one mislynch, one confirmed town, one confirmed scum. We lynch Jan Tomorrow.
1b) We lynch him and he’s Wolf, we get another confirmed Wolf and more or less confirm Jan.
2a) We lynch Jan and she’s town. We have one mislynch, but we gain two confirmed scum.
2b) We lynch her and she’s scum, we have two confirmed town.
Any disagreements with my possibly lynch scenarios? Frankly, it seems to me the the possible results favor lynching Jan, even if she is our Seer and we’re wrong, we traded her for two scum.
And, Lord knows that I’m gonna post this and someone else claimed something…