Need Help Helping Friend

TL;DR version:
My friend Barbara is coming to town and I haven’t seen her since she moved all the way across the country last year. I’m afraid she is unhappy with her boyfriend but isn’t emotionally mature enough to know it. I’d like to take advantage of seeing her in person to have a conversation about it. Unfortunately, the other people we will be seeing want to take of advantage of the meeting and get her to break up with her boyfriend because everybody hates him and he is very controlling, and also they think she is unhappy.
Long story version:
Barbara is 28 and was living at home with her dad before the big move. She didn’t make a lot of money, and was expected to take care of her special-needs sister most of the time. Her sister has a degenerative cognitive disease that makes her a total asshole. It’s not her fault, but it is still very difficult to deal with. Barbara has the patience of an angel and dealt with it very well, but was antsy to get out of her dad’s house and not have to deal with her sister anymore. And also she wanted to get married and have kids!

She met a man online, and 2 months later she moved across country to be with him. They are engaged to be married.

He has some mental illness issues that cause him to be quite controlling. BF wanted to pick out Barbara’s wedding dress because he doesn’t think she dresses modestly enough (which is laughable). Barbara’s other two sisters decided they could help resolve the tension by coming to visit and making it a sister thing. The three of them could pick out a dress together and have a day of remembering their mom, who passed away a couple years ago. Her absence in helping plan the wedding is just another shitty reminder that she is gone.

BF was distraught. He was upset that the sisters didn’t want to spend all their time with him, and upset that Barbara was ok with them not wanting to, and also that she wanted time with her sisters away from him. He was so depressed that a compromise was made where he could take all 3 sisters to the wedding dress shop and drop them off. Then he could get a coffee across the street and watch for them to finish and come out, so he could join up with them again.

His mental condition makes it so he can’t work much. He is in a lot of debt but spends money foolishly. This is quite stressful for my friend for obvious money reasons, but also because they won’t be able to have children naturally, due to some medical stuff, and she wants to be saving up for that.

Barbara has never been in a relationship before. She is absolutely the nicest and most compassionate person in the world! She is an amazing cook, she has the best attitude every single day! She was very obese until just recently, and so missed out on any of the normal learning benchmarks for relationships.

Now she has a guy that she has to support, and that panics at the thought of Barbara talking to someone without him included in the conversation, or of her coming here to visit her friends without bringing him. She is frustrated with it all! But says that they are happy and that he loves her and she loves him.

There were people who thought she wouldn’t be able to hack it in the real world that far from home, so admitting this isn’t working would be admitting failure.

But maybe she really is happy. I don’t want to judge, I just want to help if she needs it. What should I say to her that isn’t “break up with him?”

I know every story has two sides but if your story is even close to accurate she needs to get out while she can. Just have a talk with her and tell her what you told us. Or show her this thread after a dozen or so people jump in and give you feed back.

When she arrives, say that you are thrilled to see her in person after all these years.

When she leaves, say that will miss her terribly and that she can call you night or day because you love her, and because you’ve each got the other’s back through thick or thin.

Her relationship sounds like a train wreck in the making, but nothing you or anyone else can say is likely to make any difference in her plans. It hurts to watch it happen to someone you love, but going after the boyfriend imho will make her all the more determined to stick with him. He’s the first person in her life to belong just to her and any opposition may only strengthen her resolve to stay with him.

Unless, of course, your friendly local Godfather has a daughter getting married and you can ask him for a favor at the wedding.:rolleyes:

Just leave it alone. You will get back-lash like you wouldn’t believe!

I don’t want to tell her to break up with him. I want to talk to her like a parent might talk to a 17yo girl in her first relationship who seems like she doesn’t know that just because you think a guy is cool, it doesn’t mean you are in a healthy relationship. Or maybe they are in a healthy relationship and I just don’t get it. I don’t want to judge, I just want to have a dialog.

Maybe be all “what are some ways that this relationship improves your life?” Or “how are you coming in those financial plans so you can get a kid someday?”

But, you know, not in a dad voice. In a sensitive and caring way that doesn’t offend her and also helps to keep her friends off her back.

Assuming your understanding of the situation is accurate, Barbara is screwed.

If you waved a magic wand that caused her to drop that BF as soon as she sees you and she never returns to his city she’d promptly find another similar loser to care for.

Some people are just human wreckage. Just as she wants to pour her OK-ish life into fixing that total loser, you want to pour your more-OK life into fixing her less-OK life. That’s dumb.

My advice would be to tell her what you told us, expect her to hate you for your candor, and go on with your life with no further thought of Barbara. And be somewhere between pleasantly surprised and flat amazed if she snaps out of it some day and thanks you for your help.

Her experience with relationships thus far was in taking care of someone with a neurological disorder that leads to treating other people badly. She may have left home, but she’s seeking out the only kind of relationship she knows. This is familiar to her.

Barbara has had other relationships, just not romantic ones. She has many friends (well, not so many now that she’s been away for a while). She was active in high school clubs, and in college. She studied abroad for a year. It’s just after college her mom got sick and died and then her sister got sick and so she started taking care of her. So I think it is more a case of being in a rut than of only knowing toxic relationships.

Use sentences that start like “I think you deserve someone who . . .” and “I’m worried that . . .” Paint a picture for her of what a healthy, happy relationship looks like. Then contrast the symptoms you see in her relationship.

I once said to an Aunt “I hear you saying you left X because you didn’t want your entire life to be devoted to making his possible. Now all I hear you saying about “Y” is what you are willing to give up for him and do for him.” That seemed to get through.

Another which worked once was “I’d really like to see you try some freedom before you make a lifelong commitment. Why not spend a couple of years just on your own, and see who you are when you are able to make decisions without pressure.”

But be careful. She’s out of the pressure cooker and in your presence. Don’t become the vice grip that just applies pressure differently. Give her a taste of great fun and total freedom. Give her gentle hints about your concerns and limit yourself to 3-4 sentences per day on the subject. Let everything else be about you, her, and the world.

She needs to be reminded what it’s like to spend time when neither of these dependent relationships is the focus of her existence.

Some lessons just have to be learned the hard way.

Let her fall, and when she’s ready to pick herself up and dust herself off, be there for her.

Trying to get her to see the light of day at this point is an act in futility.

Yeppers.:frowning:

Seems pretty futile of y’all to try to convince me that it is futile of me to try talking to her… Yet you still tried!

So I appreciate that the naysayers are just hoping to spare me a bad conversation, or whatever, but I am going to talk to her.

Thanks TruCelt for your advice. Anybody with more to say like that, I’d love to hear it. I am not good at talkies just in every day stuff, so I’m afraid I won’t be able to make good words under pressure.

You asked for opinions and got some.

Had I know your mind was already made up, I wouldn’t have wasted my time with you.

I asked for opinions on what to say to her. How to have the conversation. My mind is definitely made up that I will talk to her. Someone is going to, and I’m much nicer than the rest of our friends, so it should be me.

Feel free to keep giving me opinions, I was trying to be lighthearted in my previous post and I don’t mind anyone telling me to not say anything. I just think it’s funny that you are doing what you think I shouldn’t do!

The difference being: You came soliciting advice.

Reading from your OP, Barbara hasn’t asked you if she should stay or go. Quite the contrary: She loves him and he loves her. Yet you still feel the need to have a talk with this woman.

I feel like you’re over stepping your bounds here.

OK, I hear you. I don’t feel like I’m over stepping any bounds here, but I know my relationship with Barbara and you don’t, so I’m working with insider information :wink:

Of course, now we’re getting into the futility of me convincing you that the futility you’re trying to convince me of isn’t futile! This could go on all night!

My shift doesn’t end til 7am, so…

:slight_smile:

Just curious, is the OP male or female?

Yes.

Bolding mine.

I vote the OP is male. Not definitive, but it’s the biggest gap in the carefully gender-neutral writing.