If you look at the Seahawks’ QBs with the best career QB rating (not counting guys who played only a few games for Seattle), in order, you have:
Wilson (drafted in the 3rd round)
Smith (free agent, after washing out as a 2nd round pick by the Jets)
Seneca Wallace (4th round, only 14 starts with Seattle)
Dave Krieg (undrafted free agent)
Matt Hasselbeck (6th round pick by the Packers)
Warren Moon (went undrafted by the NFL, played in only 25 games for Seattle, late in his career)
Tarvaris Jackson (2nd round pick by the Vikings, only 23 games with Seattle)
John Friesz (6th round pick by the Chargers, only 22 games with Seattle)
Jon Kitna (undrafted free agent, only 39 games with Seattle)
Trent Dilfer (1st round pick by Tampa Bay, only 22 games with Seattle)
Jim Zorn (undrafted free agent)
Rick Mirer (1st round pick by Seattle (2nd overall pick), only 55 games with Seattle, generally seen as a bust)
In short: they have never had a QB whom they, themselves, drafted any higher than the 3rd round, who was a long-term successful starter for the team, and they had three guys (Krieg, Kitna, Zorn) who were their starting quarterback for at least a few seasons, who were UDFAs (four if you count Moon, but he was already an established veteran star when he became a Seahawk).
In the entirety of the franchise’s history, hey’ve only used a first round draft choice on a quarterback twice, and Mirer was the better of the two – the other was Dan McGwire (Mark’s brother), who only started five games as a Seahawk over four seasons.
Though I’ve heard from both Pete Carroll and John Schneider in multiple interviews that they’d have drafted Patrick Mahomes if he’d fallen to them. They really really wanted him.
(I know that’s easy to say after the fact, but I’ve never heard them say that about any other player so I suspect it’s genuine.)
And he won out on a 3 way competition for the starting spot.
Drafting a QB is a lottery as to whether they are any good or not. Yes you can get a Tom Brady in the 6th Round but you can also get a JeMarcus Russel with first overall. Overall the odds are against you especially if you don’t get the first or second overall pick
I would not have a problem drafting another QB in around the 3rd round and if he proves better than Geno using him as starter what I don’t want is for us to cut Geno and be depending on the drafted QB to be our starter because we have noone else.
Second overall seems to be a cursed spot for QB picks. You might think CJ Stroud disproves the rule, but oddly that just seems to continue the trend of 25-30 years between good ones: CJ Stroud this year, Donovan McNabb 25 years ago, Archie Manning ~30 years before that, and Sid Luckman ~30 years before that. (Luckman was so long ago that he was a Hall of Fame QB for the Bears. The Bears!)
Other than those I’m only seeing a sea of mediocrity at best, franchise-crippling busts at worst. Even if you can avoid drafting a Ryan Leaf or Zach Wilson, you’re looking at a Carson Wentz, Marcus Mariota or Mitch Trubisky as the “win.”
The caveat is I don’t recognize most of the old names from the '40s, '50s and '60s, so maybe there’s some hidden gems there that I didn’t notice.
Also, of course, I’m assuming Stroud continues to be the stud he appears to be. Fellow #2 overall pick RG3 was offensive rookie of the year and then immediately fell off a cliff. I don’t foresee that in Stroud’s future.
Drafting QBs may be a crapshoot, but your odds are way, way better earlier on. Here’s a chart showing how many QBs made the Pro Bowl bu draft round, including Top-5 picks.
The only thing I can conclude from that chart is that you should never, ever, under any circumstances ever draft a QB from the 5th round. Everyone else is fine.
I like to think RG3’s decline was due to his injury, while I hope it doesn’t happen and is very unlikely but it is not impossible that tears his LCL, tries to play through it in the WC game (dispite not being medically cleared) and is never the same again.
Just been going through 3rd overall picks while that also is a sea of mediocity (Bortles, Vince Young) and total busts (Trey Lance, Akiili Smith, Heath Shular) though their are a few franchise backs as well (Matt Ryan, Steve McNair, Jim Everett)
He peaked in 2010, leading the Chiefs to win the AFC West that year (for the first time in 7 years and first time making the playoffs in 4 years), despite having an appendectomy in the middle of the season. Unfortunately he blew it in the playoffs, only throwing 9 of 18 for 70 passing yards, 3 interceptions and no TDs, and losing 20-7 to the Ravens in Kansas City.
He was named as an alternate to the Pro Bowl and filled in when Tom Brady was injured.
Yep, he went 10-5 filling in for an injured Tom Brady in NE in 2008, and KC thought he was ready for greatness. After seasons of 4-11, the 2010 season of 10-5, 4-5, and 1-7, the Chiefs realized the err of their ways and made a deal for Alex Smith, another overall #1 pick who never ever really achieved greatness.
Cassel, to my surprise, lasted in the league through the 2018 season.
At the Ravens stadium, they are flashing messages like “The opposition has requested quiet when they have the ball. Please behave accordingly.” I.e., make lots of noise when the visiting team has the ball.
This seems particulary classless. Is this a widespread practice?
Seems like just another way of saying “Make some noise!!” Which is what home team crowds typically do when the opposition has the ball. In other words, doesn’t seem classless to me at all.
In Arrowhead in the 1990s the signs that ring the stadium (between first and second tiers?) would flash MAKE SOME NOISE whenever the opposition was running a play.
I’ve never heard of this actually being requested by a visiting team, and I almost suspect that it wasn’t requested by the Steelers – that the Ravens might have placed the message themselves, hoping to get the home fans to do otherwise. “What? The Steelers want us to be quiet? Well, f**k them!”
And, TBH, every NFL teams knows that, if they’re on the road, they will have to deal with significant crowd noise when they are on offense. They plan for it.
Rather than classless, it’s desired and hopefully expected. And I expect the ‘other team requests’ is very much tongue in cheek. I wouldn’t have thought anybody would actually think otherwise, but people still find a way to surprise me.
The only time I would not expect it is for teams that are so terrible they can’t get enough people to come out to the games to make noise
