NFL Fantasy Football Discussion: Week 4

Byes: Dal, KC, Minn, TB.

The only team that really affects me is KC. I only have one player from Minn, Visanthe, and he got injured in week 3. I have a WW request for Dustin Keller. Thank goodness Demaryius is not injured.

My wife’s team though has severe RB problems. Thomas Jones is on bye while Stephen Jackson and Knowshon Moreno are injured. Beanie Wells is coming back, but he was limited early on a team that is not likely to run in the 2nd half of games. Again, she barely has enough RB’s to play. I missed on the pickup for Tolbert and got snelling instead. She also has 3 Denver players (Knowshon, Demaryius, and Royal.)

Btw, since 6 out of 8 teams in my league make the playoffs, I just need to stay out of last place in my division. Hopefully, I can pull off the late season comeback.

I am considering offering up this trade in my league: Randy Moss for Antonio Gates. the thing is I am flush at WR: Welker, Boldin, Collie, Breaston, Moss, and Crabtree and dead at the TE. Plus having two NE guys is not ideal (long story short, I had to do two drafts at th same time annd accidnetly drafted both NE WRs).

If you can get it that would be an awesome trade (although I would probably protest it.) However, why not grab Moeaki, Keller, Gresham, Miller, etc. at TE? Even Shockey is showing some life.

Other than Gates or PPR Clark/Witten, TE is not meant to be a big scoring position.

Right, other than Gates, Gates is basically the only TE I would consider making a trade for. I already have Schockey and the problem with most TEs is that they are often times non-existent. I have had Schockey before and in the Saints system he is frequently a big dud in fantasy terms, they just have so many options and the TE is almost always the third or fourth option.

Moeaki is a huge pickup if you can get him. He’s the deep man on most KC pass plays. He’s on bye in week 4.

Please don’t tell me you’re that guy. Moss for Gates is uneven, but it’s not league breaking (or even bending), and both players improve with the trade. That’s the VERY DEFINITION of a fair trade.

This is simply wrong. Where are you getting this information? Bowe and McCluster are CLEARLY the main down field targets. The Chefs’ OL is bad, and Moeaki is a decent outlet. But he’s not going to keep it up as Charles and Cassel develop a better relationship and Charles unseats him as the preferred checkdown.

Tape of the first 3 weeks. Amazingly sad actually. The long pass to Mccluster was actually a short out route that he broke for more yards after the play. The bomb to Bowe was (as you know) a trick play with the fleaflicker. Currently, Moeaki leads the chiefs in receptions, yards, touchdowns and targets. He has almost twice as many yards and rec’s as Mccluster. Except for that fleaflicker, the only receiver that runs the streak or post is Moeaki.

Regarding the moss trade: why do you think moss is in Gate’s league? Currently, he’s the 10th highest scoring of all non-qb position players in my league. Moss is currently 44th. The players around gates include Jabar Gaffney and cj Spiller. Gates is right below Chris Johnson and above both Lesean Mccoy and Roddy White.

I’d trade MJD for gates. MJD is currently the 85th ranked player. Do you think that’s a fair deal too? How about Ryan Grant? Ryan Grant has a higher ADP than Gates in the preseason.

It doesn’t matter what they were drafted at, it’s what they’re doing on the field that matters.

In my league, somebody traded frank gore for tom brady after Week 1. Not a problem. In week 4, that would be a travesty.

Three weeks an absolutely terrible length of time to base ANY veto on. Period - I honestly cannot understand ANY attempt at justifying it. Having trades vetoed like that would make a league absolutely unbearable. Let it go dude. You’re chasing TDs, and it’s going to bite you by the time playoffs roll around.

Right, because based on the 3-game sample, we now conclusively know Tom Brady will throw for 43 touchdowns and Frank Gore will only finish with 5, making that trade clearly unconscionable. :rolleyes:

I still have my questions about Vick as a starter, and have Rodgers as my go-to starting QB, but questions aside, there’s no denying the numbers Vick is putting up from a fantasy perspective.

Rodgers has been good to me so far, and has a cushy match-up against Detroit this week… but Vick is going up against the dreadful, can’t-stop-anybody Redskins. At home. Oh yeah, and Donovan McNabb will be coming back to Philadelphia for the first time in an opponents uniform, looking to prove the team made a mistake in trading him. The game has the potential to turn into a fireworks show.

So, who to start: Rodgers coming off a good, but ultimately losing, effort at home against the 30th against the pass Lions; or Vick coming off back-to-back “I’m-back” performances against bad teams, at home against the 31st against the pass Redskins?

I’m leaning toward keeping Rodgers in, but to complicate my decision my opponent this week has DeSean Jackson, and I was thinking that if I put in Vick, I’d know I’d be about matching his, in all likelihood, great day.

Thoughts?

Don’t think so hard. Rodgers each and every time.

Agreed.

The guy who I would propsose the trade to has Dallas Clark and Antonio Gates, so he is flush at TE. This is a league where everyone is a pretty savvy player, so I am not going to put anything over on anybody. I sent out a email to all owners saying I was looking to move a WR and he emailed me back saying he was listening.

I agree, Munch, this is not a veto-able trade by any stretch.

Sure it is a fair trade. I would rather have MJD, but I can understand those who are concerned about his health.

Superhal, have you ever actually won a league?

Winning’s dependent on a great deal of luck most years. I’d settle for hearing he’s made the championship game (in a league bigger than 8 teams where 6 make the playoffs). Or finished in the top *half *of an SDMB league.

If you look at vick’s 2006 and 2005 numbers, he’s at about 2500 combined pass/rush yards and 22-25 combined TD’s, and he missed a couple of games in both years. I think right now, nobody expected him to start so he’s getting away with a lot where he used to get shut down. I don’t think it will take long for other teams to remember how to defend against him, they just haven’t needed to do it against anybody in the past 4 years.

Rodgers should have done better last night. On one end zone shot, Jerimichael Finley came out of the game the play before so the backup TE dropped the pass, and then there was the unbelievable fumble caused by briggs/urlacher in the 4th.

Not in football. (I wonder how many brownie points I get for not lying about winning one?) My usual MO is my top 5 players drafted get injured, so I haven’t played since 2006. However, I finished in the top 10% in pick em, and usually finish in the top 3 in basketball, h2h or rotisserie.

Don’t feel threatened guys. I never claimed to be an expert, although I’m rather shocked that for all the posts I’ve made based on stats, strats and film, you guys get most upset because I object to a trade between the 10th and 85th top scoring players in fantasy. I can see if it was based on need (the tom brady/gore trade was made because the Gore owner didn’t have a quality QB) but in the case of the moss for gates trade, the moss owner (who is offering less) needs the TE.

So this week for me swing position I have a choice between Brandon Jackson and Jahvid Best (whose turf toe my render this question moot). Even though Jackson hasn’t exactly been a stud and Best has had some big games, it has to be Jackson right?

The other option is Brandon Lloyd who I’m (likely) gonna get off the waiver wire. Thing is, Denver plays the Titans who have had one of the better pass defenses this year (small sample size that it is).