NFL Week 11

Well played.

Yeah, 2 or three years ago. Incidentally, we need receivers again. There’s almost no way Calvin resigns with the Lions. I think we should trade him for a first-rounder and a following year’s second.

Why wouldn’t he re-sign? Wide receivers want two things: money and the ball. He’ll get just as much of both in Detroit as he would anywhere else.

As far as I’m concerned, the Buccaneers’ first-round prospects begin and end with Ndamukong Suh. I wanted them to draft B.J. Raji last year, and Glenn Dorsey the year before that. If we don’t take a franchise interior lineman to rebuild the defense around this year I might have to find a new team.

Don’t wide receivers want to win too?

Don’t think so. Randy Moss and Darrell Jackson went to Oakland for big paydays. Marvin Harrison remains on the couch even though the Colts would take him back in a heartbeat for the veterans’ minimum. David Boston went to San Diego for a huge payday when they were still crappy. TJ Houshmanzadeh went to Seattle. Torry Holt went to Jacksonville. Chris Chambers went to KC. Lee Evans keeps signing contract extensions with Buffalo.

I’m not sure many of those are good examples. Moss and Chambers were trades, so they had no choice about it. Holt was still taking a step up, and going to a place where knew he could start, and they were a decent team lacking in receiving threats, so his presence (and their renewed health this year) could elevate them to a playoff team.

Chambers wasn’t traded. He was traded to San Diego, but they didn’t trade him, they cut him.

On preview, it appears the Chiefs claimed him off waivers so he didn’t have a choice there either.

Wouldn’t the Lions just franchise tag Johnson?

Maybe, but you can’t do that for ever. It costs an extra 25-50% (I forget the exact amount) to franchise a guy for a second straight year - and the wideout franchise tag is the second most expensive (after quarterbacks, obviously).

Interesting side note: the Giants tagged Brandon Jacobs this year. Pretty astonishing that he’s playing so badly in a contract year.

I would have thought OT was the second most expensive franchise tag. Nonetheless, I think the Lions would do it with Johnson, he is a unique talent and still young and gives his developing QB a dependable target.

He’s about the only guy on that team who can sell jerseys right now too. The closest thing they have to a star player.

Pettigrew would start soon, I might guess.

But TO signed with Buffalo. Course, they were probably the only ones who’d put up with him this time around.

From Wiki:

Turns out it’s actually cornerback by a nose, thanks to Nnamdi Asomugha’s ridiculous contract. Offensive linemen are all grouped together for some reason, although it doesn’t matter because the top 5 salaried guys are almost certainly all left tackles anyway.

I can see the Lions signing Johnson to a long-term deal, but I don’t think they’d franchise him except to give themselves more time to work out the deal. It just isn’t a good move in the long term unless you can win right away.

Obviously, the Lions aren’t going to be a playoff team before Johnson’s contract is up.

If I were the Lions I would look to possibly trade Calvin while his value is still high, then use the pick on the best LT available in the next draft and kick Backus to the curb. Or try to trade him for a current starting LT. Something. Then they could bring in a couple vet WR’s, use their other 1st rd pick on another offensive lineman and then outside of maybe a WR, draft nothing but defense the rest of the way.

Nobody would trade a left tackle who’s as good as Johnson is straight up. Those guys are like gold dust. In any case, if you can’t re-sign Johnson what makes you think you’re going to re-sign that tackle?

Whoop! GO CHARGERS!!! :):eek::):eek::):eek::slight_smile:

I considered that no other team would trade their starting LT for a WR of any caliber, which is why I mentioned the possibility of the Lions trading Johnson to another team for their 1st round pick and then drafting one. The Lions aren’t going to win overnight, but they are never going to win if they don’t get themselves a decent oline.

Being at Lambeau I basically missed all the action from this week. Looks like there was some seriously weird stuff going on.

Here’s my recap from Lambeau over in the NFC North thread.

I got the pick right but what in the hell was going on with all that scoring? How the hell did those 2 QBs combine for over 725 yards passing? The highlights of that finale were amazing. Definitely need to catch the replay of this one. I wonder how serious this injury to Stafford will be. That was a gutty throw at the end after he came back in after the timeout but he was in a ton of pain.

How the hell did the Bills hold MJD down? Who was the TO guy getting almost 200 yards and how did that lead to just 15 points? Strange final score. Lots of injuries for the Bills looking at the box score.

Completely goofy result here too. The Steelers are getting killed with injuries, Polamalu out again and maybe without their top 2 QBs for at least 1 week. Statistically this game looks like it should have been the blowout I predicted. It always makes me happy when the Steelers lose though.

Well, the Colts covered! Told you so! This game must have either been really exciting or really sloppy. I wonder which.

What the heck is wrong with the Giants running game? Also Ryan seems to have actually played halfway decent on the road. Yet my pick was still accurate, go figure.

I picked with my heart and not my head but the late comeback salvaged the cover. Better to be lucky than good sometimes. Wonder if that Packers running game is for real, it makes them a much better team. It’ll be interesting to see how badly the loss of Kampman and Harris for the year hurts them, I bet pretty bad.

Missed it by just 2 points! Have I nailed a final score yet this year? Don’t think so.

For the second straight week the Cowboys offense is a mess. Against to decent defenses, but still. It never fails, the Pokes get you thinking they are good then they proceed to collapse.

At the half it looked like I might have guessed right on the answers to those questions. Then Freeman started playing like a rookie.

Maybe I should have stuck with my gut…but then again if Warner stays in the game I’d have probably nailed this.

Another one I actually read right, if only Revis could have played both Moss and Welker maybe they’d have had a chance. Sanchise keeps coughing up the ball.

On second thought…

My first instinct was that being without Benson must have really crippled them but looking at the box score they still managed 177 yards of rushing. Interesting. Goes to show that most of the time anyone can run behind a good line. Goodbye JaMarcus.

I can’t believe they trotted out Orton in the second half. Both QBs performed pretty much exactly as I predicted. The only question is why I thought they’d score 16 points based on my comments. Seeing some dissension in Denver these days, maybe it was too soon to pat McDaniels on the back after 6 weeks.

Strangely I was pretty close to right. If only Cutler could have completed one of those damned wide open TD tosses.

Has Vince Young always been this accurate? He’s really impressive tonight.

I don’t think so. He was really up and down as a rookie in 2007, and in 2008, well…yeah.