Here is what I said in my original post: " I can see his athleticism, especially when he took off running, but he really struggles when faced with pressure, (33.8 passer rating, lowest in the NFL, when facing pressure). I wasn’t just pointing out he struggles against pressure, like most NFL QB’s, but that he struggles with pressure much, much worse than the average NFL QB, and, at that point, worse than just about any other NFL QB. It wasn’t the simplistic “pressure makes QB’s worse” that you are positing it is now, but rather a point that Wentz is particularly bad when under pressure.
406 yards vs. the #1 ranked defense. Tom Brady, ladies and gentlemen.
well, it was pretty traumatic listening to the 2nd half on the radio. Glad they pulled out a win but man, special teams. I expect the Pats mascots lined them up in the end zone and finished them off.
This is all kinds of a mess. QB rating is the single worst possible measure of a QB’s play under pressure. Not only does it provide no method of factoring in running when the pocket breaks down, but it actually penalizes a QB for doing the exact thing they are trained to do when pressured, which is dump the ball off or throw it away. There’s no accounting for passes dropped (the Eagles lead the league in drops), or any sort of advanced analytical component at all. If you threw 10 passes under pressure, completed 5 check downs, had 1 dropped, and threw 4 away, you’d have a terrible QB Rating and a really good performance against pressure.
Even if you were hellbent on using QB Rating to prove “he struggles with pressure much, much worse than the average NFL QB, and, at that point, worse than just about any other NFL QB,” the more telling (and still inherently flawed and useless) measure would be difference in QB Rating without and with pressure. So your measure is the worse version of a worthless stat.
That is separate from the fact that Wentz has been, taking everything into account, just fine against pressure. Considering he’s a rookie, with a terrible offensive line (his center has been particularly bad this season), the worst receivers in the league except for maybe San Francisco, and little to no running game. This is something stats, even advanced stats, aren’t good at measuring. Even assuming you can separate the subjective from it (which I don’t think you actually can), not all pressure is equal. Saying Wentz doesn’t handle pressure well is just laughable. Aside from one or two very bad games where he was admittedly awful, his film emphatically disproves that, especially last game.
You’re right, I shouldn’t have been so adamant about if being PFF. Next time I’ll put in a measure of uncertainty in my statement.
As for research, if your predictive system says the 5-4 Eagles are the best team in the league and the 5-7 Eagles are in the top 5, regardless of why they are at that ranking, your predictive system is flawed and needs to be reworked.
Without pressure, Wentz’s passer rating is 80.7. Against pressure, it’s 36.3. That’s a 44.4 difference.
Got it. Your eye test proves it more than actual stats. Any stats. No matter what actual stats I come up with, you have your “eye test”, and there is nothing, nothing that will convince you otherwise. Even if I point out that Wentz has faced pressure on 30.0% of his dropbacks (22nd highest in the league), right there with Andy Dalton (30%), much better than Andrew Luck (44.1%) and worse than Ben Rothlisberger (23.3%). Or if I point out that Wentz’s TD/Int ratio is 1 TD to 7 INT when under pressure (the lowest in the league, right behind Case Keenum’s 1 TD to 5 INT and Brock Osweiler’s 2 TD to 6 INT). Or if I even point out that Wentz’s receivers have dropped 11 balls when he’s under pressure (second highest in the league, behind Phillip Rivers [25.5 passer rating differential under pressure and tied with Andrew Luck and Blake Bortles). None of that actually matters, what matters is you watched, and decided he’s just fine against pressure.
That’s fine. I prefer having a discussion with actual evidence to support my statements, but that’s fine. I’m a bit concerned that you seem very defensive about this. I’m not saying Wentz is a horrible QB or that he’ll be a bust, or that he’s a pig-raping pile of shit. What I am saying is that, while he has played well at times, he struggles when facing pressure (like many rookie QB’s) and should not be hyped up by the announcers as much as he was the times I’ve heard them. I’m sorry that seems to overwhelm you.
What’s funny is that the stats show that, at least as to last game, you are right, he was fine when faced with pressure from the Redskins. Although pressured on 37.3% of his dropbacks, Wentz was 8 for 15 (with 4 sacks, 2 throw aways, 1 where he was hit as he threw and 2 dropped passes) for an impressive adjusted completion percentage of 80%. He didn’t throw a touchdown or an interception on those plays, but he amassed 85 yards, and had an overall passer rating of 70.1 (not as good as Alex Smith’s 141.4, but much better than Cam Newton’s 39.0), which was good for 13th among QB’s this week. But I’m sure those don’t matter.
I will be absolutely stunned if Fisher ever gets another NFL head coaching job.
He’ll go be a commentator on ESPN or NFL Network, or be a defensive coordinator for a year or two, and someone will hire him.
Hell, I could see him sliding right into Gus Bradley’s likely soon-to-be-vacant spot in Jacksonville, and no one would even notice the difference!
Ah, it’s *so *good to hear all the Steelers fans shouting “CHEATERS!”
What’s that? They aren’t? Odd.
Well, they weren’t cheating so no shouting needed.
Cards cut Michael Floyd. What an idiot Floyd is. Was he drinking on the plane back to Arizona? How else could he get so drunk as to pass out in his car a few hours after playing a game?
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