I don’t think your vote had too much of a negative effect. Pleonast was the only one voting for you for that reason and he was the only one who felt that way. Pretty much everyone else felt the opposite, yet you still gained additional votes against you. Pleonast’s vote essentially negated your vote for ushi.
I do find it interesting that you were in fact Town. I slightly suspected this, even in the face of a rather strong case by storyteller (and it was a good case). But your response to it was also entirely reasonable. In the Town’s shoes I would have very likely voted for you too. Mainly because who else would be a good candidate?
I guess you’re right about the vote since the order tie break would have screwed me any other way.
It was a good case by Story I was being wishy washy which is why I didn’t argue that point, because there weren’t any good cases. I think it’ll be interesting to watch the people on my wagon since I think some scum were jumping on there to cast suspicion on ushi toMorrow. I don’t think it was a blatant scum save simply due to the way it went down, it was too obvious.
I’m also fascinated by the peeker kill. I had noticed that peeker was suspiciously more coherent in this game than in previous ones. Being uninformed, I assumed this would be because he is scum. But now that it appears that scum killed him, I’m assuming that Scum also saw that peeker was behaving differently and not stirring the pot in such a way that made Town want to lynch the crap out of him. I’m also assuming that scum saw this as a “power” tell.
Otherwise, I’m baffled by why scum would target peeker. To me, it seems like only a matter of time until peeker gets threatened by a lynching.
I’m not loving Wolverine right now. While I agree that lynching Pleonast on the assumption that he was trying to save ushi is ridiculous. I also think that lynching ushi on the assumption that the revealed data will be helpful is equally stupid. Wolverine flat out states that ushi is likely to be Town, yet he wants to lynch him for data. I don’t like that. I’m biased though. I think ushi is Town.
I think ushi is Town as well and even if he’s scum it won’t give any indication which of the people who voted for me is scum. I think that one of the reasons to make a move like was made on me is to imply that the other choice is scum that way whoever is lynched the other gets lynched the next Day and keeps the pressure off of scum.
i have to agree with sach. i have no clue why i got NK’ed. unless like you suggest i was a little more reserved and coherant than normal. but it’s all good. because as niller the best thing you can do to help your side (town) is to get NK’ed. so i served my purpose.
also, regarding millers. it is kind of a stinky role. but i don’t think it necessitates an insta lynch.
the only time i made it through one of story’s games (or at least past Day 2) was when i claimed miller early on and made it all the way to the end. go figure.
I would totally not care about editing. The board itself imposes a time limit on editing so if even if someone catches a mistake, they would have to do it very quickly in order to edit something incriminating out. And they would have to do it immediately.
Assuming for the moment that ushi is town (or at least non-scum) – I’m also leaning that way but given he’s new wouldn’t want to put too much hard cash on it – I suspect the “motive” for the scum who probably voted Oredigger is simply that they knew how badly the ushi case was flawed. So Storyteller comes up with one that’s actually quite good for day one, and it’s not a scum to boot (bonus!), it’s like Christmas in January. Even not knowing ushi’s alignment and even not knowing who all the Oredigger voters are, I expect multiple scum/anti-town on that wagon. Meeko’s doing the right thing to be looking at it (though again not having read closely I make no comment on his judgment or motivations in doing so).
The ushi connection I would be someone interested in if I were playing (or paranoid about, might be more accurate, given I’m not truly suspicious of Ushi) is Ushi/storyteller. It’s not to the point I’d want to lynch one to test out the other, but it would be on my mind. I think Story would definitely be willing to stick his neck out for a teammate in that particular way.
And yes, that post by Wolverine smacked rather strongly of “I want to vote ushi, but how can I justify it?” Rather scummy.
That thought occurred to me too, but I rejected it for two reasons.
(1) Storyteller’s defense of ushi was precisely what I had been thinking at the time.
(2) ushi is an unknown. While it is possible that both are scum and storyteller saw a decent defense of ushi since the case was BS, I don’t think it a wise move since ushi is an unknown. Storyteller could not have the confidence that sticking his neck out would not end up very very badly.
I’d have to go back and recheck the timing though, which I’m not going to do.
The only thing I have against storyteller is that we are on the same wavelength in this game, which never happens. To his credit, it doesn’t happen when he’s scum either.
When I see quite Days like this I always wonder is the scum are sitting back because they would be happy with either lynch choice so not posting keeps their head down while a good result happens.
Suburban again. Ding, ding, ding we have a winnah. I think Pleo and Chipa are both scum. Chipa’s late vote switch doesn’t help him.
Strong townie vibes off several players too.
And Cookies’ role is the same one I had as Snape, not that I can remember exactly how I got to choose, since I was dead so fast. Night four, or some such, IIRC. I think it’s real and not a bussing, but I’m not entirely sure.
I don’t reach the same conclusion from Suburban’s statement.
I do agree with the sentiment that Pleonast is acting hypocritically, but that makes Pleonast a hypocrite. Not necessarily scum.
I don’t agree that Pleonast and Chipacabra are both scum. I would think that Chipacabra is scum based on behavior. But in order for both Chipacabra and Pleonast to be scum I’d have to believe that Chipacabra would happily vote to lynch Pleonast when Pleonast has a strong claim. Not only has Pleonast claimed, but Cookies has confirmed the claim.
On the surface, Pleonast’s claim seems overpowered for Town, but I don’t think it is. As an investigator the crux of the power is Town/Scum alignment. All the other stuff (power) isn’t of particular use to town. So Pleonast knows what power X has. Who cares? if X is Town, X also knows his own power so simply by confirming alignment, Town has all the necessary tools to know and trust X’s power. If X is Scum, Town is going to lynch X anyway so knowing the power isn’t too helpful. It’s nice and could have benefits (like lynch the one with the power before the other one, but that situation is rare.)
Anyway, I’m not convinced that “pleonast’s power is too strong to be Town.”
I agree with the sentiment that Cookies is in a frustrating position.
Given Pleonast’s result, I would agree that letting Cookies live one night is not a huge problem. She’s neither Town nor Scum so the NK is moot. Lynching her now versus lynching her later is of little consequence.
No, I’m leaning scum on Pleo for tangential reasons, actually, primarily his relative silence over the last few days. He’s a talker, and all of a sudden, once he’s in vote trouble, he has nothing to say except a partial (why? no reason) and oddly-presented claim. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen Pleo as scum, but this feels like it to me. Guess we’ll see. Regardless, whether his reasons are exactly “correct” or not, I feel like Suburban’s instincts are all going the right direction.
Storyteller has a good point of course, even if Pleo is scum.
Wolverine doesn’t help himself any.
And Suburban has ANOTHER good catch, with poorly-motivated unvotes of Ushi.
I feel like Red Skeezix may be non-town; I didn’t like his reasoning for his vote on Mental Guy a page or two back. It seemed fake. I’m not positive, though, since I find him hard to read when he’s not talking much (for scummy or RL reasons, either way).
Pleonast’s claim is not overpowered for town, that argument is just silly. The non-alignment stuff may not be necessary (or it may be for reasons still unknown), but I’ve seen it included in legitimate cop results many, many times.
Oh, and as for Chipa, check the timing of his vote – it came immediately after two other people had disregarded Pleo’s claim and voted him anyway. That’s just going with the flow.
And he’s also been markedly less chatty than usual.
I agree that Chipacabra looks like scum, and the timing of his vote is very much part of the reason why. I’m simply saying that Chipacabra’s vote, if Chipacabra is scum, makes Pleonast look less like scum, not more.
(I kid you peeks)