Not dead...is not dead

Post 79:

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=837824

C’mon, the guy is not dead (or at least not confirmed to be). No need for musical chairs, just change the title back if he becomes confirmed dead. No need to wait to see if he doesn’t eventually pass away before it’s changed. Are there some going through hoops involved in changing a thread title? “It doesn’t look good” based on what you’ve heard is not reason to have the current thread title reporting him dead. Obviously what’s been reported hasn’t been verified as accurate, anyway.

Missed it by that much.

As far as anyone knew, the thread title was correct and he is/was brain dead. No matter, however, I was going to bed then and was going to change it when I got up, barring any news of his actual passing.
But after five or six reports of “change the thread title to update his passing” (at the time, which I did) and then three of four saying “now change it back, please”…I didn’t see a particular urgency to change it right then since, as others have pointed out in that thread, it seems it’s (unfortunately) either that way already (brain dead, as most reports I’m seeing/reading say) or the most likely outcome. I haven’t changed from that opinion, but that’s why we have more than one mod per forum, so it all works out.

As far as anyone knew? That’s not the way reporting someone as dead goes.

Not cool.

Which was reasonable because it was reported that he was dead.

Because it was reported that the reports of his passing were inaccurate. His Wikpedia, for example, no longer has a date of death and he went back to an “is” and no longer a “was.” It shouldn’t even have been a question that it should no longer be in the thread title that he’s dead.

We have no idea what the most likely outcome will be, but it’s irrelevant. I’m not seeing any reports after the correction that he is brain dead. Where are these “most” reports? People should not be reported as being dead because you think it’s the most likely outcome.

Again, what sort of hoops are involved in changing a thread title? assuming it’s pretty simple, what’s with not seeing “urgency”?

I’ll say it again, quite simply: Every report I have seen/read says he has no brain activity and has been taken off life support. To me, that means “dead”. Brain dead, to be more specific.

Now if, come morning, he was still around…I would have changed it, however it’s for these exact circumstances there’s more than one than one mod per forum.

Me, however–since I had already changed/updated it once–and it turned out it was wrong and misreported and that nobody really knew what the case is (and still doesn’t), I decided to err on the side of caution before updating it again with possible wrong information. No harm in waiting a bit for more info to come to light and I still don’t think that was wrong, per se…but it’s a moot point now.

I’ll remind you of what you wrote:

If he has not passed away by tomorrow night or the next, I will change it then. Until then, however, things don’t look too good (God forbid, however…I hope he pulls through), so I’m going to leave it for now pending better news, because from everything I have heard and read, it doesn’t look good at all. Again, I hope I’m wrong.

Which is it? Every report means to you that he is dead or that he has not passed away, “it doesn’t look good”, you hope he “pulls through”?

What do you mean “since I had already changed/updated it once.”? What does that have to do with erring on the side of caution? It is all over the news that reports of his passing were in error. You want to be cautious by leaving it in a thread title that he’s dead? That’s not caution!

I’m going to say it once more: All reports are saying he has no brain activity and life support is shut off. In my book, that means “brain dead”. So I was going to wait just a bit before changing/updating the topic title again.

I don’t believe that’s necessarily the wrong way to handle it or go about things. You disagree, obviously, and that’s okay.

I don’t have much more to say that hasn’t already been said.

Brain dead doesn’t mean dead. Maybe that’s the problem.

No, we have more than one of for a few reasons, not because one of them is being stubborn for some unknown reason.

Erring on the side of caution would have been to change it back to not saying RIP until things are sorted out.
As I stated in the thread, there is some ‘harm’ however small, in that it’s a bit insulting to his fans. Also, every time I’d see that it’s jarring even though I knew it was there and I’ve been refreshing TMZ all day long.

Labeling him as dead was an honest mistake, I really don’t understand why a second mod had to get involved to fix it or why you were being so stubborn about it. If reports are correct, yes, he’ll probably pass shortly, is it that difficult to wait until then?

Where are these reports? Second time asking.

I wasn’t being stubborn, I have said my reasons in this thread (three times now) as to why I was going to wait. I’m sorry you disagree. It doesn’t change my reasons or make them any less true.

This is my last reply in this thread unless something comes up that would allow an answer that doesn’t make me repeat what I’ve already said.

You’re wrong.
Like, all of this is just wrong.
Please don’t change thread titles to include RIP anymore if you don’t understand the meaning of death. Not being sarcastic, but you don’t appear to.

I’ll say something once again also. That doesn’t jibe with this:

If he has not passed away by tomorrow night or the next, I will change it then. Until then, however, things don’t look too good (God forbid, however…I hope he pulls through), so I’m going to leave it for now pending better news, because from everything I have heard and read, it doesn’t look good at all. Again, I hope I’m wrong.

Pretty much any report if you look one up. Here’s one selected at random.

Some quotes from it:

Again, sorry you disagree with my choice to wait for more info to find out he’s not actually brain dead, but I wouldn’t change it if I had to do it again.

If someone has been reported as dying, I’m going to update it with “RIP” if posters ask me to, just like I did in this case.

I get and understand this is a very sensitive and emotional event for you and I apologize if it seems I’m being, as you say, stubborn…but again, I don’t think there was any harm in waiting for more info, especially since nobody seemed (or seems) to know what the case was…on top of it already (possibly) being misreported once.

Then more info came in and you were like, fuck that info, I’ll just leave it as dead.

I’m looking at plenty that don’t say that. Bottom line- he’s not verified to be dead.

No kidding. That’s not an issue for anyone. The issue is when it’s been found out that that report was found to be erroneous and the police department that made it apologizes for it and you won’t change it back.

But you know what the case is, right? He’s brain dead…but it doesn’t look good and you hope he pulls through, and if he doesn’t die, you’ll change it in a day or two. Serious unbelievable!

Again, I disagree. But the matter has been resolved.

How is that quote relevant, btw?

Again? You mean you said that already? I must have missed it the other ten times.

And here you tell us you’re not stubborn.

I said:

You asked:

So I answered your question with it. Seems pretty relevant to me when it’s the direct answer to a question you asked.