Not intending to hurt doesn't take away the hurt

yes, all the time. it’s particularly prevalent in the south, but by no means limited to that region. Also have gotten the dumb look when I open a door for a man.

In this thread, a Doper offers able-bodied women help down stairs and absolutely stunned and disbeleiving when told it is offensive to offer a second time when someone has already refused their help.

We’ve had many other threads on the subject. I assure you it is a widely experienced phenomenon.

Well if you act like an ass, you deserve to be told so, despite how noble your cause may be.

Go back and read your posts! You sound angry and bitter in all of them. That is a real response. Sorry you don’t agree.

But that would be the giving same treatment to handicapped people that every other autonomous human being receives.

It must be nice to have all kinds of spare time on your hands so that you can manufacture scenarios that give you additional opportunities to find fault with peoples reactions to a person in a wheelchair.

Exactly. All these people who so rudely try to help are probably doing the same to plenty of able bodied people as well. I often go out of my way to hold the door for whoever is near me. 99 out of 100 times people appreciate it.

Yeah, I hold the door for someone and they can’t accept it because I am the one who should be in the position of “being helped”…And that’s my fault. Sorry I’m such a dick. What does this have to do with “all kinds of spare time”. Im going through a fucking door. You do that don’t you?

Sorry, refusing to not hold the door goes a lot further back according to Wikipedia…

Goofy Gophers
A recurring schtick often mistakenly attributed to Chip ‘n’ Dale is the characters’ alleged use of politeness: “After you,” … “No, I insist, after you!” This gag, from the early-1900s Alphonse and Gaston comic strip, is used by another studio’s characters: Warner Bros’ Mac and Tosh as the Goofy Gophers. However, in the 1950 short “Out on a Limb,” Chip ‘n’ Dale do engage in a round of this (possibly in reference to the Goofy Gophers) before Chip stops it from getting out of hand with a swift kick to Dale’s rear end.

I’m surprised you didn’t ever notice this prior to your disability.

And AGAIN…not reading what I’m saying.

“I often go out of my way to hold the door for whoever is near me”

It when the people ARE NOWHERE NEAR ME, I have made this point over and over and over and over. Yet people still go back to this as if I am bitching about common courtesy. NO. I enjoy courtesy gestures just like anyone else.

So picture this… you are not in a wheel chair and you hold the door for me and I say “no, really you first, I insist.” Am I still a dick in this case?

You want to be treated the same as everyone… this is the way it is.

Why are you posting here? Just to tell me I’m bitter? Ok, duly noted. Thanks. I disagree because I KNOW I’m not.

You still havent produced anything to back up your claims.

I read it perfectly clear. I would most definitely go even further out of my way to get a door for a disabled person. If they said they didn’t need it, I’d probably say, “well I’m already here now and I didn’t mean to imply you couldn’t do it yourself.” And then I’d think, “that guy’s an ass.”

But most everyone thinks you are. Is everyone else wrong?

Your posts are what I use to “back up my claims.”

Why would you think that? Would you think that if the disabled person said he didn’t need it BEFORE you were “already there”? While you were on your way to the door? So the idea is a handicapped person MUST accept all help at all times from anyone who offers it OR he/she is labeled an “ass” or an “angry wheelchair guy”?

I’d think that because I was just trying to be a nice guy. When someone holds the door for me, I say “thanks.” What’s the big deal if someone tries to help? It doesn’t mean you aren’t capable. There are plenty of times no one will be around to help you. You are getting all worked up over nothing. There are bigger fish to fry in this world. RELAX.

I guess we have nothing more to say to each other then, huh?

Would all of you please read, again, Jamie’s original post on the subject? He has repeatedly said that he appreciates courteous gestures. He specifically stated the problem that he had with the door was as follows, and I’m putting the relevant parts in red for you:

That’s the blessed issue that he’s having: not people who actually help, but people who are so hell-bent on their idea of helping that they

  1. ignore the disabled person’s actual explicitly expressed wishes (on a subject the disabled person assuredly knows more about than they do, i.e. what help they need);
  2. as a result, actually impede the disabled person.

None of this is either courteous or helpful. Complaining about being ignored and impeded does not make jamie a bitter person with a chip on his shoulder.

Ok, then I guess this is goodbye. I promised myself I wouldn’t cry…

If XYZ percent of the posters think you are coming off as “angry wheel chair guy”, guess what? For those percentage of posters you ARE coming off as “angry wheel chair guy”. And I noticed you totally ignored my two previous posts. I might be inclined to try to help you out more but it seems to me you want to ignore what you don’t like or argue about it or just hear and agree with the points of view you already agree with.

“Your posts are my cite.”

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