Nudity in own home = indecent exposure?

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[Aaargh! I just wrote a long reply, but when I hit submit my connection was lost… I hate that!]

Reconstructing what I remember…

Thank you to everyone who has offered support/suggestions/ieas!

BTW, first I have to say I had a brain fart when I posted this morning. The distances to the lot lines are 50 and 70 feet, not yards as I wrote. I’m sorry if that would have changed anyone’s opinions.

As to what I plan to do or say about this: as little as I can.

Starting immediately I won’t open the blinds in the morning. Which is a nuisance, since the light helps me wake up, but as Metalhead said, I’m not going to feel comfortable anyway now that I know about Little Peeping Tom. Longer term, I think I’ll see about getting that slider either frosted or stained-glassed. Either should take care of ‘spoiling’ the view.

Hopefully Evil Mother will see that I am keeping the blinds closed, and she’ll let it drop. (fingers crossed, anyway.)

As for Tom himself, I don’t plan to say anything to him. I’ve never heard anything against the boy in the past, and he is very young – right around 13 I’d say. I’ll chalk it up to Newly Raging Hormones overriding conscience/manners and let it go. After all, it’s not like I’m afraid of the kid. Besides, I’m sure EM is already making his life miserable over this, so no need to pile on.

As most of you guessed, the real problem is EM. I was warned about her before we even moved in. You see, she’s sort of paranoid, the kind of person who, if the slightest thing doesn’t go exactly how she wanted, assumes the other party is doing it as a deliberate attack on herself. For example, if your paperboy fails to bag your paper properly and some of it blows into her yard? Well, clearly you were jealous of her landscaping and are trying to trash it out of spite. If your dog barks, well, you knew somehow she had a headache and you’re deliberately making your dog bark to torment her.

She is involved in long-term feuds with three other families in the neighborhood over the most amazing trivia. Stuff like, who’s cat has ‘trespassed’ through whose yard. Or someone not raking their yard ‘soon enough’ and so extra leaves blew into her yard. Or that one of the neighbors dared put up a basketball hoop, and when the kids shoot hoops they laugh and shout to each other. (We’re talking midafternoon, not wee hours of the morning.) It’s always something.

Before yesterday I’d manage to keep my interaction with her down to a casual handwave if she happened to be in her yard when I came home from work. Now I’m afraid her attention has been drawn to me, and I can expect to be added to her List of Enemies and subjected to ongoing complaints. :frowning:

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You hussy!!!

:smiley:

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<<hangs head>> I know, I know.

Hey, but I’m still a cute hussy, it seems. :wink:

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As somone who had a MAJOR crush on our neighbor, lemme try to give you the silver lining. I’m now 30 and married, the object of my affection is now 58.

When I was around 12 and started noticing women, my mom’s best friend was at our house every day. For years I would admire her form, her laugh, the way she looked in tube tops and bikinis when she tanned outside.

to this day, when I see her, all I see is that stunning goddess. You’ll be forever young to at least one person. FWIW

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Someone should arrest the boy’s mother…she must have been perving too with her binoculars & then all of a sudden, her vision has been blocked by her son… and now the kid would have to live with the stigma of having a mum who’s a perver…like mother, like son.

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My high school physics is a bit rusty, but isnt SHE the one sending photons of her naked image into his bedroom window?

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By the way, how old is the little bastard? It’s not germane to the topic, really, but I’m curious.

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This is RIDICULOUS. She has a right to walk around naked in her own house. Yes she may know now that someone may be watching her but if he is (epspecially with binoculars) then he is DEFINITELY a peeping-tom and she is the victim.

The kind of mentality that suggests that he is not responsible for his own actions is the same kind of mentality that says that a man who rapes a prostitute is not reponsible for his actions because she was dressed/acting in a provocative manner.

It’s like saying that I’m not at fault for stuffing myself with cake till I get sick because the cake was too tempting.

Arrgghhh… This stuff really annoys me. People should grow up and those who are grown up should not take this sh*t from anyone. :mad:

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StarvingButStrong

Zoe

[meaning - not SW and old]
Zoe

[an old hussy]
StarvingButStrong

[agrees]

We need more on your location to obtain first-hand info in order to get to the bottom of this.!

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See, this is the problem from my point of view. Why are you hoping she’ll let it drop? She should be hoping that you’ll let it drop, and not call the cops. It’s one thing to be neighborly, it’s another to let someone run roughshod over you. In my opinion and expirience, the best way to shut people like her up is to call her on it immediatly. Take an affronted tone, and tell her that you’re going to have the police come out and investigate her son for being a peeping tom. Now you’re afraid to walk around inside your own house, not only because of him seeing you, but because you’re afraid of her. Let me re-state this
You have done nothing wrong.
You have taken reasonable precations to keep people from seeing in your house. The boy went out of his way to procure equipment so that he could view you. He’s at fault, not you. Don’t let some dried up ninny push you around. If you let this go, next time it’ll be something else…then something else…on and on. Stop her dead in her tracks now, and she won’t be a problem to you anymore.

That being said, if you are looking to cover your windows more, I know that local craft stores have a something that comes in a spray can that will frost your windows. Or what we did on the window next to the front door was get this special paint that you use to basically make it like stained glass. You can buy kits with different templates, and make the outlines, then basically paint inside the lines. It still let’s in plenty of light, and adds color to it, but impossible to see through unless you’re putting your face right up to it. Good Luck.

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my only assumption could be that his mom is horrified of the thought of her son partaking in such activities, and is therefore trying to remove the cause.

I think it’s possible, it’s the same sort of thing that leads parents to do their best to outwit their sons ability to find porn through any filter

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I believe the kid has done nothing wrong, legally. Morally yes, but legally no. If he’s in his own house or on his property then he’s not breaking the law watching you with binocs or even recording you with a camcorder. He would have to be on your property at least and possibly close to your window to have broken most any peeping tom/voyeurism law. Unless your state has specifically addressed this situation (making it illegal to be “spying” on others from your own property) the current laws very likely haven’t been broken.

Do you have any reason to believe the kid has been on your property (probably at night) to look in your windows? If so, then you’d have case against him. You may want to set up a security cam just in case.

It sounds like the EM didn’t handle the situation very well and should have explained to the kid that he’s violating your privacy and should have told you tactfully that you can be seen even though you didn’t think that was the case.

As for the indecent exposure, it sounds like that wouldn’t be the case since you were not purposely showing off your goodies by having your window/blinds open, well lit room, laying out in the nude, etc.

Sidebar - very weird coincidence - did anyone else get this pop-up ad for . . . BINOCULARS . . . while reading this post?

http://bidtxt.whenu.com/Search?prop=1&templ=9&kw=binocular

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ugh, it’s stories like this that make growing up in the country really seem to suckfor me.

:smiley:

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These types of situations are always going to be judgement calls. Every case will be different.
You have done nothing wrong if you cant be seen without someone going out of their way to view you. What if the boy had a high powered telescope and lived a half a mile away and you lived in a glass house? If he saw you getting dressed at this point then he would have gone out of his way to see you. Actually, your case may border on some lines..... how did the boy know you ran around the house naked unless he caght a glimpse of you with his naked eye way before he ever picked up the binocs? What Im saying is, he may have been aware of your habits before the binoculars came into the picture. The binocs only enhance his veiwing pleasure (maybe?).
Maybe on some level you get turned on by being watched or by being the object of someones fantasy (doubtful?).
Probably unlikely, but maybe this “problem” is a two way street. You may have made yourself too available to the boy, yet he went a little out of his way to recieve the images. At worse, you both get a little slap on the wrist and go about your merry ways.
No harm done, and now we know how to avoid the situation.

H8 2 W8 - I have seen that custom plate (H82W8) on a Harley around town here.

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Well, the houses aren’t far apart, apparently. Maybe he saw her (clothed) and figured he’d look into the window to see what he could see, then noticed he had a good view…?

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In the abstract, I totally agree with you – I should tell her she’s nuts, to go ahead and call the cops if she wants to hear them tell her she’s nuts, and so on. Bullies shouldn’t be appeased.

In real life, though, I already know how pathologically petty and vindictive this women is. She holds grudges FOREVER and will go to absurd lengths to revenge herself. Tiny example: when the girl across the street from her was learning to drive, she once backed out of her driveway much too fast and ended up with the back wheels on EM’s lawn – this left two very short marks in her precious turf. EM reported her to the police, who did their best to tell her to chill since it was accidental and there was no significant damage. AND the girl’s father had offered to pay to have those marks replaced with new sod! But was that enough to mollify her? Hell, no. Ever since the EM has been parking her car on the street directly across from the other family’s driveway. Nevermind that this is inconvenient for herself, making her carry groceries down the street then up the driveway unnecessarily, for example. Nevermind that it inconveniences everyone travelling down our not all that wide street, especially in winter when the snow builds up. She is determined that if this girl ever backs up too far again, she will run into EW’s car, and thus EW will have genuine damage and be able to ‘get’ the girl.

So. I know I’ve done nothing really wrong, but I just don’t want to have to get involved in a war with EW. If it was a bigger issue, or involved something I really cared about, okay. Maybe. But so far the whole ‘offense’ I’ve suffered consists of my having had to listen to her call me ‘lewd’ and few similar terms in a phone call that probably didn’t last a whole minute. I was so stunned that I really didn’t say much, I think I apologized automatically. So right now there’s a good chance that EW feels she has ‘won’ and we can go back to ignoring each other in peace.
As for having to change my routine/alter the window…well, even if EW had done the decent thing and merely warned me nicely that I could be seen from her house I’d have wanted to do something to change that simply out of modesty. So I’ve not really been put to any additional expense or inconvenience, I was just really rattled and upset by her call for a while, and thus ran off here for reassurance and venting.

LowerLip: What makes you picture hussies as old? Young and brazen is what it calls to my mind. Umm… I’m one, not the other. Guess which! :wink:

For those kindly offering their services to judge the view of my window…I’m in Vermont.

And that’s the only clue I’m giving. :smiley:

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Is the kid underage?

I would think that knowingly exposing yourself to a minor wouldn’t be the best thing to do…

"Every person who willfully and lewdly, either:

  1. Exposes his person, or the private parts thereof, in any public place, or in any place where there are present other persons to be offended or annoyed thereby…"
    http://www.bigeye.com/sexeducation/law.html
    (Above link has a lot of sex law links BUT no photos of any kind)

Looks like the mother could be “offended or annoyed”, eh?

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“Nude isn’t lewd, but gawking is rude,” is the slogan at my local clothing optional beach. And the local police go so far as to tell complainants offended by nudity to grow up and get some acceptance.

I wouldn’t worry about this ending up in court. No police officer is going to try and lay charges, and prosecutors don’t have time to waste on the case of the woman being naked in her own bedroom, unless one side or the other was really pushing hard for it-- and that seems very unlikely.

Unfortunately, StarvingButStrong, you’ve got a toxic neighbour. She’s doomed herself to a lousy, bitter life, and should probably be forcibly confined to a mental institution. The mother next door to my parents is the same way, and has been for three decades. :rolleyes:

Judging from this woman’s prior behaviour, you should probably keep some notes somewhere about the ‘incident’, in case she comes back to try and bite you on the ass.

Then go buy a subscription to Playboy for her son :wink:

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Dear god, that poor child. His one escape from that overbearing wench ruined. Now replaced with the horror of being discovered by the psycho. Should we take a vote now on what twisted and maybe illegal kinks he favors in adulthood, or should we wait?

I agree. Wait for a year or two, then get that kid an anonymous subscription to Playboy. Maybe he’ll check the mail before her a few times before it’s discovered. Such a move may be the only thing between him and the rape of innocent farm animals dressed as his mother.

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Better yet, buy her a subscription to a mag like Club, Oui, Gallery, etc. Heh heh.