Numenorean Lord vs Elf Lord in wrestling match - Who wins?

No magic just wrasslin’. Who takes who down for the pin?

I say Elf lord.

He presumably has had several thousand additional years to learn and refine his wrassling technique.

Yeah… but would an Elf Lord really even know how to wrestle. To their refined sensibilities it’d be one of those demeaning human/orc things they probably wouldn’t do.

Well, if Tulkas loved it so much how could the elves be above it?

I’m sure he would know the how of wrasslin’, it’s the application that matters :stuck_out_tongue:

It depends. Elf lord of the Caliquendi, especially one who had seen the light of the two trees with his own eyes, takes any Numenorean lord. UNLESS they’d been bound by or excessively tangled up in the oath of Fëanor. In which case the oath may lead to their destruction.

But Elf lord of the Moriquendi, especially if he is of the Sylvan rather than the Sindarin folk, or of the 3rd (waning) age or later, would probably not be able to stand up to Elendil, Isildur, or other later select lords of the Dunedain. Elf probably could have taken some of the less notable heirs of Elendil, but that’s just my extrapolation. Also some of the corrupt lords of Numenor would have probably fallen to a Moriquendi lord.

Did you have specific elf lord vs. edain lord match in mind?

Whoever the booker says should win. If it was me, I’d put the heel over first, by cheating, and book a rematch on PPV.

In Appendix J in volume XV of the History of Middle Earth series, there is a note transcribed from the back of an old receipt for bubblegum in which Tolkien sketches out a short paragraph entitled “The Effects of the Light of Valinor on the Physicality of the Elves”, in which a discerning reader can conclude that an elf-lord of Valinor can “beat the pants off of” [direct quote] any stinky human, Numenorean or not, in all manners of trials of endurance (with the notable exception of the pie-eating contest where hobbits reign supreme). He also goes on to describe a game much like our own “Simon Says” that the infamous Feanor invented during his 40s or the elvish teen years, primarily to torment Fingolfin. The name of the game in Quenya loosely translates to “Feanor Decrees”.

Ok, I made that up. But who knows what Tolkien would’ve come up with if he had more time?

In general, I think most Elf-lords could beat most Numenorean lords, unless the Numenorean lord was extra-special. For example, I bet Elendil could beat any regular old no name Elf-lord but probably not someone like Glorfindel.

Bruisers: Elwë vs Elendil

Middleweights: Elrond vs Aragorn

I think Elrond could beat Aragorn. Overly protective father and all that.

Hmm, Elwe has borrowed power from Melian and is also taller than Elendil (being the tallest ‘Child of Iluvatar’), but I bet Elendil is wily enough to say something like “Hey, is that Silmaril?” and knock him flat when Elwe gets distracted.

Just to be Melkor’s advocate: :wink:

Legolas was a Sindaran Elven Lord, I do not believe he could take Aragorn, Boromir or even Gimli in a Wrestling match.

Arien, I love your appendix J.

Jim

I was worried that it would be too geeky even for this board. Thanks for proving me wrong! :wink:

I think Gimli might be able to beat Aragorn and Boromir, too, what with that low center of gravity. Of course I know nothing about wrestling.

Hardly. You’d want one of the major First Age mortals, like Tuor or Beren, to make it even vaguely even.

I can’t get the FOTR movie out of my head. Remember the look Boromir shoots off at Legolas when querried, “Have you heard nothing Lord Elrond has said?” I thought for sure Boromir was going to whomp some elfen butt right then and there–Boromir was Tha Shizzle.

Venue: Elrond’s Palace
Match: Legolas vs Boromir (servant of the dwindling remains of the house of Numenor)
Book: 23:1 favoring Boromir. Sure, it’d take a while for Boromir to get lucky against the elf’s speed and agility but 1) no way could Legs inflict any damage on Boromir and 2) once Boromir got his paws on Legs it’d be a scene from Deliverance right there in the midst of the council.
Plus Bormir has…BEARS!

Boromir had bears?
Do you mean Beorn from the Hobbit?

I don’t know the answer, but I bet lots of people will buy tickets just to see the elf babes in bikinis carrying large cards with numbers on them.

A laita elyë, laita elyë!

I sprayed miruvor all over my keyboard!

Elwë, no contest. He’d seen the light of the trees with his own eyes, and spent millenia shacked up with a goddess. Unless he was wearing the Nauglamir. Then Elendil could take him.

Aragorn. In his prime, Elrond could have taken him no sweat, but Elrond’s game has been fading since Gil-Galad bought it.

Book-Legolas, probably not. Movie-Legolas, definitely; his reflexes and coordination were so superior to theirs that, unless Boromir/Aragorn/Gimli got in a lucky shot in the first 0.5 seconds, they’d be toast.

Oy…How soon we forget!