Office Politics: Working with Seventh Graders disguised as Adults

I swear, everyone in my office is an adult, but sometimes the people I work with seem like they’re still in the seventh grade.

There’s this one woman who works so hard at trying to impress others that it would be comical if it weren’t so sad. As examples, the very first time I met her, she slipped in a somewhat irrelevant reference to her university degree and her certification, as though she wanted to make sure I thought of her as well-educated. She does this with all her cow-orkers. She seems compelled to interject into random conversations the fact that she and her hubby drove “the Porsche” to the mall last week. She has one pair of Manolo Blahnik shoes – or at least fake red-soled shoes – and has to make sure everyone knows they’re Blahniks. (“Oh, damn, I just had to go and wear my Blahniks on a day when it rained, didn’t I?!”) She tries to boast about her child winning a poetry contest (though it turned out to be one of those poetry “contests”, where every entry wins as long as the parents buy the book.) She has a noticeable facial deformity – an enormous pointy nose, bad enough that it could be considered a facial deformity – so I can only guess that maybe she has a deep need to overcome whatever childhood scars came from that. I dunno. Regardless, on the surface, she really comes across as feeling superior to the rest of us, but to me, the attempt is pathetic in execution. I mean, when you wear Blahnik shoes with Walmart pants, it looks affected. Most people seem to be either sincerely impressed or they merely indulge her in her excessive need for admiration. Big-Nose is also ambitious – she is quite the sycophant around managers and the executive.

A month or so ago, she applied for a job supervising workers in another department. A few qualified professionals also applied, but they then dropped out when they found out the salary would be no higher than their current rate. It ended up that Big-Nose and one other, somewhat mousy clerk were the only ones left. Big-nose got the job.

Well, by her reaction, you would’ve thought she’d been crowned Miss America. Good for her, I figured, maybe now she’ll gain the confidence she needs so that she won’t have to work so hard to impress those around her. Her first day on the job, however, showed her lack of qualifications for effectively managing others.

The first day, Big-Nose made fun of one staff member behind his back when he didn’t understand how to use her new day-planning chart – bad enough, in itself, but she was snickering about him with other clerks from her former department. She then complained – again, to other clerks – that another staff member seemed to resent her taking on the supervisory role and didn’t verbally welcome Big-Nose on her first day.

This bothered me, because I could hear the loud whispers and snickers through the cubicle walls and I didn’t think a supervisor should be disparaging her staff to staff members from another department. Office gossip travels fast, particularly when it’s a supervisor who’s started the gossip. I didn’t say anything, though. I generally keep my mouth shut and stay out of this sort of thing.

One particularly gossipy staff member – Gossiop-Monger – was blathering on and on to the woman in the next cubicle all about the “stupid” person in Big-Nose’s department who didn’t know how to use the day-planner and the “rude” person who resented Big-Nose’s position. I couldn’t help but overhear, and it was annoying me when I was trying to work. The woman cut her off, responding that it was unprofessional of Big-Nose to be disparaging her staff to others in the company.

Big, big mistake. It’s been several weeks now, and the “invisible icicles” of a social freeze are still looming about and now the air turns blue-cold whenever this woman has to deal with Big-Nose. The staff gossiper is visibly miffed, too, having had her game of “Hee hee, I’ve got top-secret inside information!” quashed – I guess that made her feel chastised.

I quietly told my frozen-out co-worker that she was right – Big-Nose was unprofessional. I felt bad for the frozen-out person; I felt bad for the poor guy who had trouble with the vacation planner; and I felt empathy for the staff member who resented having Big-Nose for a supervisor. (But I was very quiet and discreet when I admitted that).

Last week, Big-Nose fired one of her staff members. Then, she came back to her old department and moaned about the terrible headache she had because she’d “just had to fire someone”. It had not yet been announced that the staff member had been let go, and protocol says that Human Resources should issue a formal announcement, but, once again, Big-Nose wanted everyone to be reminded that she is now a supervisor and has “power” to fire people, so she nearly went from cubicle to cubicle in the next aisle over from me, complaining about her terrible headache and making sure everyone knew why she had it.

I feel bad for all these people, and in particular, feel bad for the poor folks supervised by Big-Nose. Anytime they make a mistake, it will become fodder for Big-Nose’s mocking gossip throughout our department, and the Gossip-Monger will take glee in disparaging anyone she doesn’t like.

I guess this is what happens when you put unqualified people into positions that require some sort of people-skills training. I’ve always worked with adults before, so I’m not sure how to deal with people who are emotionally stuck in junior high school. I plan to continue to keep my head down and quietly do my job until I can get out of this stupid company, but I am wondering if there’s any more effective advice out there for someone who has to witness this circus every day. I am also wondering what I should do if the Gossip-Monger comes by and starts telling ME all about Big-Nose’s latest unprofessional stunts. Any suggestions?

Gross. I feel for you - sometimes I just want to kill the hell out of all the people I work with, too. Miss Manners would probably tell you that if Gossip-Monger comes by, you should simply tell her that you don’t like to spread rumors. Not that that’s easy.

Three words of advice:

  1. Don’t
  2. Get
  3. Involved.

Seriously. She’s crazy. And you don’t get in the way of the crazy.

What you do is lay out a nice clear path that just happens to intersect with the 8:10 from Unstoppableville on a day when they’re moving 19 metric butt-loads of crap.

After that, it’s just a physics experiment.

Your label of choice for a coworker is “big-nose,” because they, “have a nose so big, it’s, like SRSLY a face deformity!” the clerk is “mousy,” and you’re the one who works with the 7th graders?

OMG, like, good luck, I guess.

Sounds like what your office needs is a strong male presence. Do you work in an office or on the set of The View?

I was thinking the same thing when I read the OP, especially because I’ve been in a similar situation to Bignose.

It was very difficult for me to work in an office full of beautiful women with my giant penis. I tried to hide it behind tight hipster jeans and bikini briefs, but it just didn’t work. Every time I practiced my Michael Jackson dance moves as I walked by Stacy in accounting’s cubicle, she would just stare at my junk.

Eventually, I had to have sex with each and every one of them just to get them to stop wondering what my rock-hard cock looked like.

My co-worker, the formerly smelly one*, often says “I hate all the gossip around here.” Then he’ll go on a riff, which I mostly tune out, about how Alice said this about Dilbert, and Dilbert did this with Carol, and the boss…something…Alice…and Dilbert…something something…“I just hate all the gossip around here.” It was funnier when he was called Benita and appeared on In Living Color. “But I ain’t one to gossip, so you didn’t hear that from me!”

*He does seem to have gotten with the program. And he doesn’t seem to be holding a grudge. Whew!

If you really want something done about it, pass the word to HR about this. You can probably tell them you don’t want to be involved, but you thought they ought to know what is happening.

The tell-everybody-about-the-firing-before-HR-has-announced-it incident should really get HR going. But they will also be concerned about the making-fun-of-subordinates-to-others-behind-their-backs incidents. Especially because word of this will soon get back to the subordinate, and then terms like ‘hostile work environment’ and ‘lawsuit’ get mentioned. And any HR department ought to be real sensitive to such issues.

Frankly, it sounds like this woman was promoted into a supervisory position, without sufficient training in supervisor duties/responsibilities, and proper company procedures. Or else it wasn’t made clear to her how important & serious these procedures are (she sounds like the kind of person we used to say ‘needs a 2x4 upside the head first to get her attention’). HR should deal with this – that’s part of what they are there for.

I agree. Like you said in your OP, keep your head down, get your work done. Oh, and did you mean to refer to your co-worker as a “cow-orker?” I’m assuming that, since you also call her “big-nose,” that was a good possibility. If you’re doing the same thing at work, you might want to put a lid on it. If she finds out, I’m sure you’ll turn into a target. Even if she doesn’t find out, as friedo and threemae have noted, you don’t exactly have the moral high ground.

Well, you could mention innocently that you thought it was Christian Louboutin shoes with the red soles, not Manolo Blahniks.

Yeah, they’re knockoffs.

Great thread.

If she has plenty of slack to be herself, she’ll eventually hang herself, if your description of her is correct.

I don’t mind you acting a bit immature. Rants will present themselves that way, but this doesn’t mean I didn’t LMAO at friedo’s post.

Distance yourself from this person, and be blunt should they engage you. I don’t think your fear of being blunt should absolve you from any responsibility towards quashing any potential situations. I just sense you are afraid to level with her about your take on the matter, and you fear you won’t find the right words or technique.

Proper people skills? Do you have them? It means dealing with difficult people as well as the easy people. You got 'em?

Agreed. Calluses ought definitely to have used the co-workers’ real names and probably should have thrown in the business name and address as well. After all, the workplace functions so much better when our co-workers know exactly how we think of them.:rolleyes:

Seriously, Calluses - don’t get involved. Don’t let her get you involved. And if you have to get involved, do it via HR.

Inform Annoying Nickname #2 firmly that you will report all cases of gossiping to HR. Prominently display your digital voice recorder already recording.

Follow through if necessary.

And drop the annoying 7th grade nicknames for your co-workers.

If the company is large enough, you can report it via an ethics hotline anonymously.

We don’t EVER announce terminations. Not even the “decided to pursue other opportunities.” The people working with the person let go are informed that someone else will cover those duties. Too much exposure.

I’m laughing because the Google ad at the bottom of this thread is for a Manolo Blahnik shoe sale.

I wondered if someone might come back with that. Actually, Big-Nose doesn’t really have a big nose. It’s something else. In real life, I do not label people by mocking their physical attributes; I was trying to disguise the people in this situation and since I always get confused when people use initials or “Mary” and “John”, I figured I’d try to add some levity with my nicknames. But whatever. Names are not the point here.
I believe the advice to stay out of it is the best. That’s what I currently do. It just really bothers me to see others being mocked and bullied by their supervisor, and then have it broadcast across other departments. I understand that when people put others down, they are merely trying to make up for their own insecurities — Big-Nose trying to overcome her low self-esteem and Gossip Monger trying to feel she has some power. But it’s hard to sit and watch people who are incompetent and mean being put in supervisory positions to abuse others.

I won’t go to Human Resources. Our Human Resources department is not effective, and for all I know, they are as gossipy as everyone else around here seems to be. It’s safest to keep my nose to my work and cheerfully do my job.

Thanks for all the advice.

Beat me to it. :slight_smile: Although, by posting this I am trying to convince the boards that I know something about high-class shoes. I went to a good school too. :stuck_out_tongue:

I doubt it — like I said, she is a smooth sychophant around management and the executive. She’s not stupid; merely insecure and ignorant of professional standards.

I *am *distant from these people — what I mean is, I don’t go to lunch with them or stand by the vending machines and chat. Yes, I am afraid to level with any of them about my take on the matter. That’s why I posted here. I predict that if I said anything, even inthe most diplomatic format, I, too, would be frozen out and gossiped about. I am not in a supervisory position. I am not even in the same department as these people, but my desk happens to be near the recipients of the gossip.

I do have strong people skills. As a matter of fact, that’s an area where I normally excell. Trust me – none of the people I work with would suspect I would have posted this here.

Thank you cwthree. I appreciate your understanding of the situation, and I think your advice is sound. :slight_smile: