Okay, who would win these super hero matchups?

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Batman vs. Daredevil

My pick: Daredevil. The two are even in fighting skill, but Daredevil’s heightened senses give him an edge.
Superman vs. the Hulk

My pick: Very tough to say. The Hulk is powerful enough to go toe-to-toe with Superman physically, and could probably withstand the hottest heat beam he could put out. I’m going with the Hulk, mostly because he gets exponentially stronger and heals faster when enraged, and Superman apparently does not.
Doomsday vs. The Destroyer

My pick: The Destroyer, but it would be a truly EPIC battle. The ultimate mystical weapon against the ultimate genetic creation. The Destroyer’s disintegration beam would not be as decisive as some might think, since he can’t fire it at will. He has to close his visor and wait for the energy to build. Doomsday would figure this out, for sure. Not only that, but it was shown that even if you cut part of Doomsday off, he can simply reattach the piece and keep going.

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Alfred vs. Jarvis, cleaning Castle von Doom.

Jarvis, hands down. Alfred’s a quality butler, mind you, but he’s often too busy playing master detective and being the loyal manservant to Bruce. Jarvis is rarely seen doing anything other than cleaning and preparing food. Hence, Jarvis is a specalist in mansion-keeping while Alfred is more of a jack-of-all-trades.

Ma Kent vs. Aunt May:

Ma Kent. I’ve yet to see the modern incarnation in the hospital for anything other than getting caught in a bomb blast. Aunt May (traditionally) does nothing but fret, complain, and get sick.

Also, apple pies are always better than wheatcakes.

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Gotta disagree. Batman wears body armor, & has specialized weapons in his utility belt that leave him far better equipped than DD. Also, well…he’s jusy plain scary! Obsessively driven, competitive as hell, he’s hard to stop. Batman in 3 rounds.

Nah. Superman is just plain smarter. His many versitile abilities, plus his vastly superior speed & flight abilities, will give him a serious advantage.

Too close for me to call.

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Oh, come on! How often does Batman actually fight someone with a similar fighting style to his own? The batarang works great against gun toting thugs, but against someone who can hear it moving through the air, it’s useless. It would be impossible for Daredevil to be scared, because he’s blind. it would also be impossible for Batman to surprise him, since DD could hear his heartbeat wherever he was.
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I thought of all that, but let’s face it: Superman rarely uses his speed in battle. Hell, he didn’t use it even against Doomsday. He’s always trying to out punch people. On that level, the Hulk would pound him.

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Batman vs the '60s happy-go-lucky Daredevil? I’d give the edge to Daredevil. He’s incredibly well trained (he put up a decent fight (he got his ass kicked, but it was a great try) against the Sub-Mariner when Subby was really pissed) and he’s so damned unpredictable, Batman couldn’t figure out what Horn-Head would do next (lookit Bat’s troubles with the Joker).

On the other hand, Batman vs the Grim-n-gritty Miller Daredevil, Batman kicks butt. Miller’s Daredevil is WaaaaaaY to much of a head-case and Bats could easily exploit that.

Supes vs the Hulk? Superman all the way. The pre-Crisis Superman isn’t even a contest. He literally pushes planets out of orbit casually. Hulk is strong, but not THAT strong, even at his most pissed.

The modern Superman is a fairer opponent. But even then, it comes down to the fact that Superman can fly at near lightspeed while Hulk just jumps. Supes zips around the Earth a few times, scoops up Hulk from behind and tosses him into space. Hulk may be strongest one there is, but not in Zero-G with no leverage. Or if you don’t like that tactic, Superman flies into orbit and using a combination of heat vision and telescopic vision, turns Hulk into a cinder. Or uses cold-breath to freeze Hulk into a 5 mile wide iceburg and etc. Superman’s too versitile.

As an aside, if you took away Superman’s super-speed, a Superman/Thor matchup would be interesting.

Doomsday vs the Destroyer. The Destroyer kicks Doomsday’s spikey grey ass all OVER the place. #1) Doomsday was made out of Kryptonian genetic material, wasn’t he? Kryptonians are allergic to magic. The Destroyer IS magic. Doomsday’s toast.

#2) Even if he’s not, the Destroyer is more interesting than boring ol’ Doomsday. So I vote for the Destroyer. :slight_smile:

Fenris

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Is Doomsday still tied to that asteroid?

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Nah.

Doomsday escaped the asteroid, crashed on Apokolips, was boom-tubed to some planet he destroyed millenia ago, sent to the end of time, rescued and possessed by Braniac, trapped by Superman in four JLA transport tubes, freed by Luthor, released during the “Our Worlds at War” conflict on Galact…I mean, Imperiex, reduced to a charred skeleton by Imperiex, regrown by Luthor, and sold to Darkseid.

And Loeb says he never wants to use him again.

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Batman vs Daredevil: This isn’t anything close to being a contest. batman just whips out an ultrasound doodad which fucks up DD’s heightened senses and then it’s lights out DD!!

Batman by KO at 1:04 of the 1st round.

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Dammit. Beat me by 6 hours! :smiley:

In their first crossover meeting, Batman figured out Daredevil’s blindness and heightened senses in a matter of minutes, by observing Murdock’s body language. Batman would easily be able to figure out a way to defeat DD’s senses, from ultrasound to stink bombs.

And no, Daredevil is NOT at Batman’s fighting level.
Doomsday vs. The Destroyer: The Destroyer had better distentigrate Doomday completely with one hit, or he’ll pull that instant adaption ability he has.

Superman vs. Hulk: Depends on if the writer lets Superman use his superspeed (Amazing how often he forgets he has it) or let him use such basic superhuman strategy as flying Hulk into orbit and leaving him there.

I woulding mind seeing Mr. Fantastic vs. Plastic Man. While Plas has superior morphing abilities, I think Richards would win through superior strategic skills and experience. Then again, Plas’s unpredictability would give him and edge.

How about Dr Strange vs. Green Lantern?

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So I started thinking about John Constantine and Dr. Strange…

On one level, it seems ridiculously unfair…and yet…

The variables are what make it intriguing. How much is John drinking? Just enough to make him arrogant, or enough to send him into one of his asshole self-pity vomit spirals? How long does John have to plan? Does Dr. Stevie know he’s coming? Who has John pissed off (or on) most recently…or, who owes him a favor? Are there naked ladies involved and, if so, can John “keep it in his trousers?”

The most important question, however, is this: Who’s writing it, and does he think Dr. Strange is a dick?

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(Alternate) May Parker vs. (Current) Rachel Summers.

Not at combat…at Badminton. :smiley:

I’m the about same age, so that doesn’t QUITE make me a sicko…I think.
Ranchoth

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Call me when we have Ambush Bug vs. The Impossible Man :slight_smile:

I’d suggest Rick Jones vs. Snapper Carr, but recent issues of Young Justice and Captain Marvel suggests they already know each other and share stories over the phone.

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rjung: Rick and Snapper being buddies goes all the way back to the late '80s. Following the INVASION crossover (which was pretty good), Peter David wrote a one-shot called BLASTERS. In it, Snapper (who’d been given super-powers - which have been thankfully forgotten) teamed up with a band of other people and formed The Blasters. Anyway, in it, David had Snapper comment about how he’d have a lot to tell Rick, or words to that effect, so David’s been doing this for more than a decade!

Which is cool, by the way.

Fenris

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Darkseid vs The Saint of Killers

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Superman v Hulk. Supes is invulnerable, Hulk isn’t. So that’s that.

But they could have a heck of a fight about who wears the most indestructible pants. No matter what happens to The Hulk, no matter how tattered the rest of his clothing, he never loses his pants completely. Whereas Supey’s ‘worn-outside’ red pants presumably can get ripped like his cape or his boots. I say, forget the fight contests. Let’s have pants contests!

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If we’re gonna have these discussions, we should keep in mind that the popularity of a character can cause a severe overstatement of their abilities. Plus, AFAIK, the DC/Marvel crossovers had the fight outcomes determined by actual fan votes.

But it seems that according to the reasoning some people use in this and other threads, Batman is completely unbeatable.

Now I’m a big fan of the Dark Knight and his gloomy heroism, but really now, kids…

OK, let’s give Batsie his due. He’s an extremely well-honed human specimen, physically and mentally. He’s got impeccable deductive powers and he can afford wonderful toys. But honestly, there’s a finite limit to the number of toys he can carry, unless of course we consider the campy Adam West vehicle to be canon.

Sure, if he happens to be carrying stinkbombs he might be able to beat DD. If he happens to be carrying Kryptonite, he can beat Supes. If he happens to have the Infinity Gauntlet crammed into his skivvies then he could defeat Thanos. But couldn’t we all?

Batman is such a beloved and exceedingly well developed character that it is often difficult to see him getting beat by anyone. And he could take on some surprsingly tough dudes. But let’s face it, even though he’s a well liked dude, he’s easy pickins for a number of super types.

I’d give Batman a slight edge against DD, but I think Bullseye would be a tougher nut to crack. And I think Mr. Fantastic would have him all wrapped up.

How about Lex Luthor vs. Doctor Doom in a game of CivIII?

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The Wonder Twins vs. Hawkman and Aquaman

The male Wonder Twin changes himself into a puddle. Aquaman dumps him in the ocean and summons a school of minnows with telepathy. The fish drink the male Wonder Twin and slowly pass him through their urinary systems. The female Wonder Twin tries to change herself into a velociraptor buts screws up and becomes a chipmunk. She scurries away into a hole, leaving Gleek the Blue Monkey to fend off a double team. Though Gleek uses his mental acuity to dumbfound Aquaman and Hawkman for a few minutes, he ultimately succumbs to their slightly superior super powers. When the ref is distracted, Aquaman clocks Gleek over the head with a chair, then Hawkman covers for the pinfall.

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First, I agree with with Alphagene said about Batman. I loved Grant Morrison’s JLAs, but he badly damaged Batman. The whole point of Batman is that he doesn’t have any super-powers. If he can out think everyone else, then he DOES have a super-power. When it comes right down to it, if Bats and Superman were given 5 minutes to prepare for a fight to the death, there’s NOTHING Batman could do to survive unless the writer cheated.

At best Batman pulls out a chunk of Kryptonite. Superman, flies at lightspeed towards Batman. Before he even gets within yards of Bats, a wedge of super-heated, super-compressed air in front of Superman turns Batman into a rapidly expanding cloud of molecules. Even if the Kryptonite does affect Superman, at the speed he’s going, he’s 1/7th of the way around the globe before he even notices.

Bats is the absoute maximum in training and skills that humans can get. But when it comes down to it, he’s still human.

In CivIII, Doom all the way. Most versions of Luthor (Earth-2 excepted) didn’t have world-conquering ambitions.

In a fight though…

The modern “I’m John Byrne and I reeeeeaaaaaaly wanna write the Kingpin” version? Doom would eat him for lunch. Frankly, not only would Marvel’s Dr. Doom destroy the modern Luthor, Maaaad Dr. Doom from Little Archie Comics could take the modern Luthor without working up a sweat. The only reason the “But I REAAAAALLLY wanna write Kingpin” Luthor is still around is that the writers keep cheating in his favor. Remember when he blew up Metropolis and confessed on the air? Why doesn’t anyone else in the D.C. universe? :rolleyes:

Now if we’re talking the '70s version of Luthor (by Elliot S! Maggin) it becomes a damned close contest. Luthor has the stupid-looking green, purple and orange jet suit (not the dumb armor that came later) and is a far better inventor than Doom. Doom is a better strategist, has much more resources at hand (Latvaria is a whole lot more accessible than Lexor), and is a damned good black magician. On the other hand, Doom’s armor barely stands up to the Thing while the brass-knuckles dealies and force field that Luthor has on his jumpsuit let him hit the Earth-1 Superman hard enough that Supes can actually feel it. But when it comes down to it, Doom is just more ruthless than the Earth 1 Luthor. That plus the magic makes me give the edge to Doom.

How 'bout a Batman/Captain America fight? I’d say “too close to call”. Batman if it was at night, Cap if it was during the day, maybe.

Or Catwoman / Black Widow? (My money’s on Black Widow)

Fenris

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Professor Xavier vs. Niles Caulder.

Xavier has the powers going for him, but Caulder is a tough bastard- he once killed a villain using a box of rice crispies and a roll of aluminum foil. If Caulder could use his nanos it would be no question, even given Xavier’s psi abilities.

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Alphagene,

So, according to you, Batman doesn’t get to use his utility belt. IF THAT’S THE CASE, THEN OF COURSE HE GETS HIS HEAD HANDED TO HIM.

But if we’re going to play by those insipid rules, then Green Lantern can’t use his power ring, nor can any other hero/villian use any devices, in which case Batman STILL kicks all of their asses.

Bats is THE SUPREME ATHLETE/FIGHTER/MARTIAL ARTS/ETC on the planet.

Case closed.