Okay, I’m looking forward to Rochester now…how about you, Michi?
Tricky,
I’m the only Ogre around here, thankyouverymuch.
No troll, though.
Aside from your ABCs you could try your 123s. Don’t forget to stimulate the clit. It’s like if your going to go in someones house ring the doorbell first. I have found other techniques that get the ladies on “cloud 9” but they are on a need to know basis.
Just in case any of you guys were actually considering doing this, DON’T.
We women can TELL the guys who learned how to dive from porno flicks. They’re the ones who never get us off. It’s like Mortal Kombat–you can’t do the finishing move at the beginning of the fight, folks.
No, no, no, NO, NO, NO!
Don’t do that. Pornos are done that way for the sake of the cameras, not for the pleasure of the woman lying there pretending to have an orgasm.
Good God, no. Do NOT follow the examples in the pornos.
Here’s a couple of tips, though:
If you can tell she likes what you are doing, keep doing it exactly that way until she either has the O or doesn’t seem to anymore. Some guys will speed up - that often harms rather than helps.
Don’t attack the clit. For most women, that is just too sensitive. Work around it, not just directly on top of it.
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My advice: face the other way. That way the contact is mostly on the little hood that covers the clitoris and you avoid overstimulation. You know, like a 69 but without the 9. (or with, for that matter)
And don’t forget to trim your fingernails!!
I’d like to chime in:
Suction is nirvana, but not right away. You have to work up to it. When the timing is right, fireworks happen. At least it looks like fireworks, and I sure can’t see anything else! (I can’t believe I’m saying this! I’m blushing.)
Sex Tips for Girls rules! I’ve been a Cynthia Heimel fan for years. She is funny and sarcastic and nails it right on the head. So to speak.
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Here’s my two cents. I’ve divided my dissertation into two sections: 1) Technique, and 2) General Sexual Response.
Technique
I’m mainly going to repeat what others have said.
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Spend a lot of time at it. Do it till it gets boring. As you get bored, you’ll try out different things and discover new little tricks.
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Some women don’t like much contact directly on the clitoris, preferring that you work around the base and sides. Other women like a lot of contact, to the point where you practically tenderize the clitoris and it almost develops calluses. Get a read-out from the woman as to what she prefers.
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Read the woman to see what she likes. It’s great if she can simply tell you what feels good and what doesn’t, or she can even give you precise instructions as you do it. But a lot of women are either uncomfortable talking about it (before or during) or honestly don’t know themselves what they prefer. If you can’t get any spoken guidance, then read the woman while you do it. Even if she’s very quiet, you can pay attention to breathing, muscle play, etc.
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Some women like the same one technique used from start to finish. Others find that to be numbing and like a lot of variation throughout. Read the woman. Also, some women like the same general conditions every time, and others like to be surprised. If the woman generally likes variation, then try different things with your mouth and tongue; let your hands roam; do the oral sex in other positions in bed and in other locations around the house; encourage her to read some soft porn like Penthouse Forum as you do it. And so on.
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Some women take a long time to come to orgasm, and some are quick. Don’t try to rush the slow ones. Use the time as an opportunity to get bored and explore and introduce variations. Turn on some good music before you get started and enjoy the tunes.
In general, if you’re communicating well with the woman, and you’re patient, and you do it a lot, and you’re at all imaginative, then technique will usually take care of itself.
[part 2 of 2]
General Sexual Response
You mentioned that you have techniques and they work for a while, but then they cease to work.
It could be that you’re doing it too often. Some women need some down time, especially the women who like a lot of contact directly on the clitoris. For example, let’s say you provide oral sex four days in a row, and it works great on day 1, less so on days 2 and 3, and not at all on day 4. Give her a couple days off, and she should be charged up again like on day 1. In other words, with some women it’s best to restrict oral sex to a couple days a week and change up the other nights with other games (straight intercourse, manual stimulation, sex toys, etc.), leaving her some time in between to recharge the batteries.
Here’s another scenario: You’re doing it with a woman once or twice a week It works great for her for the first few weeks, but across time it has less and less effect on her and eventually it leaves her cold. New variations and new stimuli buy you some time and extra arousal, but even these wear out and become old for her fairly quickly. (And by the way, this happens to some guys when they are on the receiving end too.)
In this latter scenario, my experience is that the woman is concentrating too hard on what you’re doing and she needs to lay back, ignore it for a bit, and fantasize. The oral sex and other novelties work for her initially because they are new and take the place of fantasy (that is, she is living the fantasy at first–new boyfriend, new techniques, etc.). However once the newness wears off, she ceases to be massively turned on by them and she needs to start getting the extra arousal from a more active fantasy life.
Some women are uncomfortable with fantasizing. So a good place to start is to have them read Penthouse Forum or some other soft porn while you provide oral sex. It takes their mind off the physical mechanics of oral sex (watching your face between their legs), feeds their fantasies, and also gives inexperienced partners some exposure to new ideas that they otherwise might not have previously considered. It may take a while to warm up to a new routine of oral sex and soft porn (prepare for as much as 60-90 minutes of oral sex before orgasm at first!), but it has worked great to break the orgasm log-jam in a couple of my own relationships. Another aid to fantasizing: Ask the woman if she masturbates by herself occasionally. If not, encourage her to start doing it (by herself, without your help or presence). Masturbation is all about fantasy, and as she gets comfortable with masturbation she will learn what fantasies really turn her on and she will carry them into the bedroom with her.
If this stuff about teaching a woman to fantasize and masturbate sounds kind of silly, just remember that researchers say something like 30-40 percent of women regularly have difficulty achieving orgasm. I think a lot of it relates to their comfort level in bed–their ability to loosen up and enjoy. Getting used to fantasizing and masturbation will help a lot with this problem.
Here is one more consideration that people sometimes forget or don’t even consider at all. Some women like a lot of spontaneity in their sex, while other women like sex to be put on a schedule. If a woman likes her sex on a schedule and you try to tug her into bed on a whim, you’ll be starting off on the wrong foot and it will take her forever to warm up no matter what you do. And vice versa: If a woman likes spontaneity, then sex on a iron-clad schedule will become uninteresting for her. Same goes for men, by the way. Men can be spontaneous types or schedulers.
It’s clear enough what to do with spontaneous types. Scheduling types on the other hand, need some advance notice so that they have some extra time to prepare mentally. With them, it’s generally best to have sex on the same evenings every week so that he or she can predict that it’s coming. If you want to have sex on an unscheduled night, give them at least an hour or two of warning. One to two hours before heading to the bedroom, mention that it would be a nice night to have sex if they’re up for it later. Then drop the issue and don’t mention it again until it’s time to head to the bedroom.
This scheduling vs. spontaneity thing isn’t usually a crucial factor in the early stages of a relationship. People are more generally more flexible and forgiving with a brand-new partner. But it can become crucial to successful sex across the years in a long-term relationship. And even when it’s early in the relationship, awareness of it can smooth out a lot of bumps and help ensure the best possible environment for relaxed, fun sex for both parties.
[End of dissertation]
JTR, are you single?
Are you looking for volunteers?
KimKatt:
Thanks for the ringing endorsement of my post! Just for the record, I’m in a very happy, very satisfying long-term relationship with my live-in girlfriend. But you’ve made my day nonetheless!
Oh my God I think I’m in love! :eek: I love Mortal Kombat. I’ve got a machine in my basement. [Butt-head voice] You like wanna come over or something [/Butt-Head] nudge nudge
Know what I mean?
Well I need someone to practice on as well Silver
Good thing I didn’t read this thread at work!
JTR,
Since you are not available… do you give lessons?
Re Lower or Upper case:
Alternate: Little A, Big A… until you get from Little O to Big O
CandyMan
Hehehehe! It’s a fun thought… But no, I don’t give lessons. I only give random advice on random message boards where I think I might have a little extra insight to offer.
By the way, I’m not a sex therapist or a counselor or anything of that sort either. I’ve read about a lot of this stuff in books by Masters and Johnson or occasional psych books, and I’ve lived with or dealt with all these situations in my own real-life relationships as well. But it should be taken for granted that this advice isn’t from a professional.
There are professional sex therapists and retreats available to those couples who have the money and want to improve their bedroom skills. But I think most of it boils down to both partners understanding that there’s no single “correct” way to have sex, and getting comfortable enough with one another in the bedroom to really communicate and indulge and relax with each other.
If you can’t do it with your lips, make up for it with your hips. When you get old & can’t do it with your hips, make up for it with your lips.
The best advice I can give is quite simple. Make the woman your #1 priority. You’re a guy, you’re easy. We generaly have no trouble reaching the pinacle, but for woman, it usualy requires a little effort. JTR has some very good tips for long term relationships, but what you do in the begining is important, too. If your entire focus is making sure that she reaches orgasm, you’ll enjoy it much more when your turn comes. Don’t let your ego get in the way of good sex. Communicate, ask what she likes. As JTR said, some woman aren’t vocal, learn to read their reactions. With practice, it is fairly easy to roll most woman into multiple orgasms( some woman just can’t however ), and if you can carry this through to actual penetration, their response will make your expierence much better. When you have to hold on to keep from being bucked off, well, it’s a lot of fun!