Outlook and Access

I’m busily moving as much shtuff as possible from my old, klunky 300-MHz PC to my new, zesty 566-MHz PC. Of course, problems have arisen…

  1. Microsoft Outlook Express (don’t you roll your eyes at me!). I am trying to export all of my messages so I can import 'em over on the new computer. According to the help files, all I need to do is click on File, Export, and Messages and then move on to a Choose Profile query box. Only I don’t get that box. I get a message that says “This will export messages from Outlook Express to Microsoft Outlook or Microsoft Exchange.”

COOL! I say. But then I click the OK, and nothing happens. Not a darn thing! I even checked the Outlook folder in Explorer, and there’s nothing in there.

Ok, so what have I done wrong? Is there an easier way? Can this be done at all? (No, I’m not getting Eudora!)

  1. Microsoft Access. I’ve had Access keep track of the movies I’ve seen for a long time now - and it’s a freakin’ huge file. Zipping the database is not a problem, but the new PC doesn’t even have Access (or any Office software, if you can believe that). Now, I no longer have the CD or any of the documentation for Access. Is there a way to get the program over to the new PC? I reallllllly wanna avoid having to buy Access; Microsoft’s page says it’s like $400 or so. Or was it $100? Anyway, it’s not an option.

Any wise words are welcomed… Thanks!

[“Hey!” you’re saying. “Why is this in IMHO?” Ah, good point… well I didn’t think people would have a definitive answer for either question, so GQ was out! Hope I was correct in that assertion…]

I run Outlook 2000, but you might be able to look for a file that is labled *.pst Not sure if it’s the same as Outlook Express.

This is easily transfered from machine to machine, I have done it a lot. Thanks for reminding me, I need to do a back up!

As for Access, unless you have an install program you can’t simply transfer the program from one machine to the other. It has to install and insert registry keys. If anyone tells you how to do it, it’s bordering illegal and the mods will shut this puppy down quicker than a tiger on it’s prey.

If you are a legal owner of Access, you can contact Microsoft with the serial number and they will ship you a new CD – if you didn’t register your product you might run into some problems. I had to do that when my Office 97 CD became corrupt, it cost me $25 but it was worth the $25.

IMHO, it is very important to register your software for the above reason. If your CD gets farked up you can easily get a new one from the software company.

I forgot to add, Outlook (the full version) also uses a .pab file, Personal Address Book. Usually you can find the files located where ever the Outlook program resides.

Again, they may not be the same but possibly similar to each other. Try opening a file you suspect to be the files you are looking for in Notepad (make sure to uncheck the “always use this program to open this file” thing or you can booger things up.) There’s a lot of “gibberish” but usually if you hit the right file you will see information in there that leads you to believe it’s the correct file.

Usually these files will not have a program icon but the standard Windows icon.

I had to hack into someone’s email in the past at my client’s office. You’d be amazed what you can hack into when you need to and find out all kinds of stuff.

friend techchick,

once you have made that mistake, (forgetting to uncheck that box) is there a way to un-booger things?

Well, I took a look at the Outlook Express folder, and I don’t have any *.pst files (I even revealed all extensions to be sure). I have a bunch of .dll’s and .exe’s and one .txt file, but no .pst’s. :frowning:

I exported the Address Book easily from the program itself; it’s those pesky messages and folders I can’t get over. Dagnabit. (Also, the .txt file is just a readme on How to Use Outlook Express.)

Thanks for your help, TC

Ok, I wandered over to Virtual Dr. and posted the question there. And of course (as it happens here), I got a response in no time. The response pointed me to Microsoft’s Web site. Well, duh. Why didn’t I think of that? Because I’m an idiot, that’s why.

Anyway, they sent me to this site, and it was very helpful. There, you’ll find out where the messages are stored (looks like it’s not always the same for each version of Outlook).

Ah, but after I found that out, how to get the messages over to the new computer? I used AxMan, a file which allows you to split a ZIP file into smaller files - and then save 'em on floppies for you. So I went to the correct folder, zipped up the whole thing, then ran AxMan on it - it took about 8 floppies (!). But then I came back to the new computer, then Restored the files - again using AxMan (this restores the original ZIP) - then unzipped the file, and finally imported the whole shebang into Outlook.

Whew. It all worked. I have it all over on the new computer now.

Longhair75-

Simple.

Say I opened a jpeg file with word and now all jpegs are considered word files?

Goto a known .jpg file and right click the file while holding down the shift key. Bam! You’re once again back at the ‘Open With’ option window.

Presto-Fixo.

friend cnote,

thanks!

techchick:

Really? But if the dantheman is a legitimate owner of Access, he has the right to move it from one computer to another (as long as he never runs it from both machines at the same time, or, better yet, deletes it from the old computer once it is verifiably working on the new), I would think.

I have moved PC programs from one computer to another (under legitimate circumstances similar to those of dantheman) and it compares with doing the same thing on a Mac much like moving a 2-bedroom house compared to moving a tent, but it can be done. Start with the obvious (folders named Access, files in Windows or Windows\System with names that appear to refer to Access) and try to launch it on the new machine, making note of what files it complains of not being able to find. Find those files and move them to the corollary locations on the new box. Rinse, lather, repeat.
Of course, you could always upgrade to FileMaker instead :slight_smile:

Uh, …if the mods feel that techchick is fundamentallly right, be assured that I will vent no wrath if you do some surgeries to the above post.

One thing you could do to get the Access application across to the other computer is to convert your .MDB file into a .MDE file. This will let you install a run-time only version on any computer. Of course you’ll no longer be able to make changes or enhancements to the database, forms, reports, etc., so that may not be a very satisfactory solution.

What I have is a massive database in Access format. If I can get a cheap - or even free! - database that recognizes .DMB files, that’s more than okay with me, as much as I like Access. But we’ll see. I don’t have the original Access CD anymore, but the one that’s on the other computer IS registered. I just want to avoid playing hundreds of dollars for a new one. Who wouldn’t? I won’t rail here against those prices, because I know they’re set that way for a reason, but they’re out of my league.

Dan: how many separate tables?

Well, there’s only one actual table, although there are queries attached to it (and reports, etc). The table itself has about 2325 records, but it’s not linked to other tables. (Ok, so it’s “massive” by my own standards; I don’t want to have to retype the thing.)

I haven’t used FileMaker in years, but when I did, it seemed kind of backward - is it truly better than Access is now? And if so, can Access files work in it?

You’d have to export to a standard file format, such as tab-delimited text or .SYLK or .XLS (Excel spreadsheet), or else set up your Access data as an ODBC source. Either way, all that comes over into Filemaker is the raw data, but that may not be as bad as you are probably initially inclined to think.

The noun that is known as a query in Access is more like a verb in Filemaker, known as a “Find”, and the results of an Access-style query (reports), if they take the simple form of simply displaying a list of the individual records that conform to the query parameters, constitute the “Found Set”. The interface (layout) in FileMaker is identical for data entry, doing the Find, and displaying the resulting found set, so to a major extent you don’t need to create and save permanent “queries” and “reports” in Filemaker the way you do in Access.

Not that you can’t: A Filemaker “Find” can be stored for replay by saving it as a Script:

Perform Find [restore, no dialog]
   Sort [restore order, no dialog]}
More complex reports that you may have set up in Access, such as providing you with a sum total of the number movies within Category A (dramas), the movies in Category B (romantic comedies), and the movies in Category C (action flicks), and so on for a given query such as “show me all the post-1981 movies that contained Oscar nominees for ‘Best Actress’ and were not not produced by MGM/UA”, require a script that sorts the result of your query (find) and takes you to a different report layout that contains subsummary parts that summarize data within categories that you specify when sorted by that category (in this case, “Major Category”).

You can add or change fields or field names on the fly, you can add new reports at any time, and you can create portals that intrinsically subdivide your data and display it in a pre-sorted list (example: global field g_DirectorName, related to all records in the same file via local field DirectorName; put a portal on a layout, and put g_DirectorName at the top above the portal with a drop-down menu consisting of all values for the local field DirectorName. Then you just click into the field and select a given director’s name and instantly you are staring at a list of all films you’ve put in your database for whom that person is the director. You can easily set up similar self-join relationships for any other commonly used field; it’ll take you less than 5 minutes to duplicate an existing layout, duplicate the relationship and tie your search global to a different local field in the new rel, and double-click the portal and the fields you place in the portal and associate them with the new relationship.

If you ever want to restructure your database as a relational multi-table system, it is easy in FileMaker to abstract out a new file in which every record is a studio (and each film associated with a studio and, via that association, with all the information pertinent to it as a result of being produced by that studio, automatically available for display in whatever layouts you choose to design or print.

Essentially, Filemaker is pretty versatile and nimble and easy to work with. In my own workplace environment, nothing is used except Filemaker and SQL, the attitude being that if FileMaker won’t handle the job, nothing short of SQL is likely to be worth futzing with.

Or, to put it another way, if you will export your table to a tab-delimited (or some kind of -delimited) plain text file with the field names at the top of each column, delete all but the first ~20 or so movies and send it to me as an email attachment, I’ll convert it to FileMaker format and send it back to you. Describe whatever reports and queries you have built into Access and I’ll replicate them. I can even send it back to you as a stand-alone run-time file that will run without FileMaker for you to look at, although you won’t be able to edit anything but the data itself without FileMaker on hand.

If you are willing to loose the ability to create new forms and reports and not be able to modify your table structure, you might as well go with an Access MDE file.

I agree with that.

I meant in order to view the database as it would exist in FileMaker, not to leave it that way permanently. dan would presumably want either Access or something else (e.g., FileMaker) so he can edit the structure and functionality as need be; and presumably he would prefer to keep Access, if he can get it copied over successfully and not have to pay for it all over again.

But if he has to BUY a database program, it might as well be FileMaker.

Well, depending on what new software you have on your new computer, and how fond of it you are, you can always do a full system backup from the one computer, selecting all the windows information, and the office folders…then restore it to your new system. shrug…may be some trouble if you’re on different versions of windows, but then again, maybe not.

God, talk about swatting flies with buicks.

Backing up Outlook Express is extraordinarily straightfoward once you know where to look.

Start out in Outlook. Go to folders–>compress all (saves a bit of space).

Now back up your messages. I’ve had bad experiences with doing it any other way than this, btw. Go to export–>address book–>text file. Be sure to put a check in all boxes, so you don’t lose any extra information. Save it somewhere you can find it later (ie when you back things up).

Now exit.

Go to windows --> application data --> identities --> a folder that looks like this: {34278927483292aae32i432} --> Microsoft --> Copy the Outlook Express folder somewhere. It contains all your messages. Zip it up if you need the space.

Now do whatever you wanted to do after saving the above. To import, just set up OE. Go to import, other address book, choose text file separated by commas, point it to where you saved the file, voila, done.

Now, go to import, choose messages, your flavor of outlook express (probably 5), import from store directory, point it to where you stored the folder you copied earlier (be sure to unzip first if you did that to save space), voila. Done.

Simple enough. No need to make it more complicated than it really is or use any special tools.

Not sure about access or straight Outlook though.