Nope, and nobody in my family has ever made it. My mom at one point had her passport ready and had the tickets purchased. THen the week she was supposed to fly out, the 7 days’ war broke out.
Hell, at this rate, I don’t think I’ll ever be able to go, the way the Palestinian radical groups are wreaking havok on things.
I’d love to see pictures though! 
Sam
Of course it’s not going to happen, because neither the Turks nor the Brits tried to do what Israel is doing to the Palestinians now. Neither tried to build a 452-mile-long wall that would, once completed, not only encroach on Palestinian territory and entirely encircle it, but also cut the Palestinians off entirely from the fertile soil of the Jordan Valley. Of course, that is the website of the Negotiations Affairs Department of the Palestine Liberation Organization, so maybe that’s not entirely truthful. What does Gush Shalom say? Or [ul=“http://www.btselem.org/English/Publications/Summaries/Behind_The_Barrier_2003.asp”]B’Tselem? No? How about some satellite photos?
Palestinians are fighting back in ways we haven’t seen before because Israel is shitting on the Palestinians in ways we’ve never seen before.
Because Palestinians are murdering more civilians in pizza parlors, markets, and at religious ceremonies than ever before…
Actually, GaWd, according to this site, suicide bombings have been in sharp decline since 2002. After searching every page in that chronology for the word “suicide”, I have the following breakdown:
1949-1993: no suicide bombings.
1994: 4 (out of 42 terrorist attacks)
1995: 4 (out of 17 attacks)
1996: 4 (out of 15 attacks)
1997: 3 (out of 10 attacks)
1998-99: none
2000: 1 (out of 29 attacks, total 38 killed)*
2001: 20 (out of 119 attacks, total 214 killed)
2002: 40 (out of 135 attacks, total 436 killed)
2003: 21 (out of 68 attacks, total 189 killed)
2004 (to 14 Mar): 4 (out of 8 attacks, total 40 killed)
*no attacks prior to 27 Sep 2000 and the beginning of the Al-Aqsa intifadeh.
What are we to make of this? Firstly, suicide bombings never made up more than 30% (2004 excepted) of the attacks on Israelis (civilians and soldiers) at any time since suicide bombings first began to be used as a tactic. Secondly, Palestinians are not killing more people than ever; the bloody peak was in 2002 (and I wonder how many Palestinians were killed that year?) since which time the number of attacks and the number of Israeli casualties have decreased sharply. Your statement is demonstrably false.
Oooh, lemme give them a big fucking golf-clap for that. I’m so impressed with how they’ve “held back” since 2002. :rolleyes:
P.S.-where do you see me mentioning anything about suicide bombings in any of my posts this evening, slick? I said “murdered”, and they’re still doing that for sure.
It’s also interesting to consider, based on these numbers, how effective these organizations being vilified so much actually are at achieving their goal of “pushing Israel into the sea”. I mean, really. These huge, slavering, swarthy anti-Semitic devils have done… what? Killed several hundred people, both civilian and military, out of a current population of just under 7 million. Scared the living bejesus out of pretty much anybody in Israel who might have been sympathetic to their cause in the first place. Brought the US-backed military might of the state of Israel down on their people’s heads.
They don’t really seem to be the threat to World Jewry you folks make them out to be, do they?
I am by NO means seeking to belittle, denigrate, or otherwise disrespect the civilians killed in Palestinian terror attacks. The whole situation is a tragedy of epic proportions. But these numbers really serve to emphasize just how ineffective individual terror really is.
Gawd - I’m not saying they’ve exercised commendable restraint. More than likely they’re incredibly worn out.
True, but not “more than ever”. Or is that little fact somewhat inconvenient for you?
Wow, you’ve totally sold me, Olent. I hereby denounce my stand in favor of the Jewish homeland and take up the sword for the poor, downtrodden Palestinians in their valliant effort to effect a peaceful resolution. If there had been any fewer than 443 terrorist acts in the last 10 years, I’m not sure I could’ve come on board. The righteous Palestinians have only murdered 917 civilians in terrorist attacks in the past 4 years (Oops, make that 921+a fetus). That’s not nearly enough to win this war against those evil, evil Jews. What could I have possibly been thinking? :smack:
:rolleyes:
:mad:
Oh dear. Those poor, worn out “freedom fighters”. :rolleyes: I guess the fightback took a lot out of them. Maybe they’ll get along better if they settle the fuck down and relations get back to peaceable.
Fact? What fact? It was a play on your words you donkeyfuck. You take yourself way too seriously. Hell, I don’t even take the shit you say seriously anymore.
Go play with statistics of terrorist scum all you want.
Sam
How about the Palestinian General Strike of 1936? The main slogan was “Independence for Palestine”, and the strike itself lasted for six months and shut the Mandate down. Britian, in response, dynamited several hundred homes in the old quarter of Jaffa, which was the organizing center for the strike in a region where it had rock-solid support. By July they had places Palestine under martial law and rushed a total of 20,000 troops to the area. They even organized ‘night squads’ of the Haganah to attack villages.
So no, the Palestinians didn’t use civilian-targeted tactics against the British, primarily because there were few British civilians to target. Doesn’t mean civilian-targeted tactics weren’t used, however - just by the British.
They seem to have done so as part of the Arab rebellion under Lawrence of Arabia, but much more than that I haven’t found yet.
GaWd - did you or did you not say the Palestinians were murdering more civilians than ever? Did I or did I not demonstrate to you that this was not so, and that you very possibly were… dare I say it… lying?
And how many Palestinian civilians died in Israeli attacks in that same period of time, my dear Shayna? Would you be so kind as to answer me that?
I did not. Please refer to my last post. You’re flailing out at everyone now. You’re looking for nits to pick even when someone is being only half-serious. You’re digging up numbers and percentages, probably in the misbelief that you’re getting somewhere on the behalf of the poor souls who would give their life to a heinous act because they’re so oppressed.
So no, I was definitely not lying. I will admit to a little dramatic license, but unlike you I wasn’t misrepresenting facts or representing it as fact, or ignoring cites, or countering with some of the garbage you’ve spewed all over this thread.
And like I said earlier, I’m just not impressed that they’ve reduced the number of suicide bombings aimed at civilians.
Sam
Be more clear here: How many Palestinian civilians died in Israeli attacks where civilians were expressly and directly targeted, rather than being killed as collateral damage? Of course, you can’t find a shred of honest or unbiased data on either side of the coin.
How many times did an IDF soldier walk up to a Palestinian religious ceremony and open fire? How many times have IDF soldiers detonated themselves inside Mosques or restaurants?
What’s this, then?
Oh wait, you were being facetious? Just mocking my tone? Ah, I see. Dramatic license and all that.
Kinda backfired, didn’t it?
They don’t need to. They can fly Apache helicopters or drive Abrams tanks and be just as effective from farther away. Remember, they’re better armed and better trained, so they don’t need to resort to such crude methods in the first place.
Depends on your point of view. I certainly don’t think it did. You’re so thick it took 2 separate posts explaining myself for you to understand.
Yes, but I had the satisfaction of demonstrating you don’t even know what the fuck you’re talking about, facetiousness or no.
Are you still at it, Olentzero? You’re not doing Palestinians any favours, you know, with your wiggling in posts, changing the subject and searching furiously for obscure quotes.
Let me tell you how the world - nowadays - looks upon the deliberate killings of civilians: They’ve gone to far. Enough is enough. It’s the work of Palistinian scum
*[but please go on with your debate. Don’t - however - think for a moment you’ll have the last word on this. Unless you’ll agree that slaughtering a pregnant woman and her children is the work of Palestinian *scum]
You say this as if it excuses Palestinian attacks on civilians, somehow.
Let’s buy a clue for $500, Alex.
Just because Israel has greater firepower does not in any way justify the Palestinian scum that kill pregnant women and children.
