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That’s what I get for not refreshing before a post.
Please allow me to alter my above post to “What Tamerlane said”. I’m not nearly as eloquent.
If you want to have a debate (even in the pit, gobear) you will find that insulting will terminate all reasonble disscussion. If you want to mindlessly swear do it, otherwise hush up.
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Your mocking tone aside, it does not take a genius to understand that discovering and isolatiing the cause and all possible factors of the countiued resentment (on either side) would be key in aleaviting the tensions. To simplfy and maginalize their extream emotions is to keep simple common understanding beyond grasp and thus Peace also.
At the risk of injecting a little levity into the thread, does anyone here realize that if this story is true, it may have handed the Israeli’s a way to not only reduce terrorism, but increase tourism? Simply require all Israeli women to go about in skimpy clothing and make up! 
[John Carradine] They said I was mad back at Masters and Johnson! Bwahahaha![/John Carradine]
Tuckerfan, I can do you one better.
- I am not Ethiopian
- I do not speak Amharinya (Amharic)
- I am an Eritrean and I speak Tigrinya
- This has no bearing on our disscussion lets not bring it up now.
- Did you just call me a “coward” (frere)?
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I see the actions of suicide bombers to be very “fucked up”, but I refuse to make any blanket statements about Palestinian society.
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You are right, Palestinian youth should not be raised to think that mass murder is a positive thing, but I refuse to make a blanket statement about Palestinian society.
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Isn’t making blanket statements about Palestinian culture as “fucked up” bigotry. I don’t think you even know much about their history and culture, certantly not enough to make the excuse that it is “fucked up”.
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So, you want me to provide evidence that Palestinian culture is not “fucked up”. Culture is what you make of it, I don’t know I can quantfy Palestain culture with a few words or links, what I do know that it is down right ignorant to sum it all up to the one act of suicide bombings. Here are a few links that will provide you with just a start on learning about Palestinian culture:
Palestine-Net: Culture, Poets From Palestine, palestine costume archive, The Palestine Exploration Fund, Palestine-Net : Travel and Tourism, palestine-net, ramallah, minsitry of culture.
Don’t stop at these websites either their are many more, in fact don’t stick to just websites, go to Palestinian events listen to Palestinian music, etc. Any blanket statements about Palestinian culture such as “fucked up” deserves death.
Wow, you have an amazing gift to sabotage your own argument. Way to go.
It’s hard to tell, but if we read efram’s post as “Any**[one making]** blanket statements about Palestinian culture such as “fucked up” deserves death”, then I think we may have just witnessed a terroristic threat on this board. Mods? Mr. Ashcroft?
First, “frere” is French for “brother,” though it’s missing the accent, since I’ve thus far been too lazy to learn how to do them.
Second, you are free to make, or refuse to make, whatever blanket statements you like. As am I. See how that works?
Third, I never asked you for any evidence regarding Palestinian society; I asked you for evidence that I am either a bigot or ignorant.
Fourth, you know fuck-all about what I know about Palestinian society, or anything else. Your assumptions about my knowledge do not serve to make me ignorant. See Point the Third, above.
Fifth, statements such as “Any blanket statements about Palestinian culture such as ‘fucked up’ deserves death” will not persuade anyone that Palestinian society is not fucked up in this regard; it will merely indicate you may be fucked up yourself, along the same lines and for the same reasons.
Sixth, you will want to be careful about posting anything that could be construed as a death threat, as it’s a pretty sure-fire way to get yourself banned from this message board. Therefore you’re going to want to keep your statements about things “deserving death” extremely general, if you can’t bring yourself to omit them entirely, which is by far the better idea.
Nope.
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Are Americans the only ones with freedom of thought and vaired opinions? We are then can conclude that not all Palestinians endorse suicide bombing and that it is not historicaly entrenched into, or part of, or the only aspect of their culture.
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American Society accepts major (some times) horrfic crime (with a death rate that would put the Middle East to shame) they condon the death pelenty, they accept gasp (insert self believed horrific act here). American society as a whole is “fucked up”!
See how wrong that was? We can stand here and moralize any single act, but lets try to keep the “wholesale condamnation” to ourselves.
How so?
efrem, I strongly suggest that you clarify right now what you meant by “deserves death”.
It was not a death threat! You know if you change all of my words and put in your own, your make me say anything. Didn’t the mods tell us that anyone who does this will be banned. Mods
DOGHOUSE, he didn’t say “anyone” he said “any statement.” Seeing as how he is (presumably) not a native English speaker, I’m inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. Hence the friendly warning.
EFREM – Please try to grasp the difference between a society endorsing something (a conclusion we can make if the clear majority supports it) and every individual in a society endorsing something – an event that rarely, if ever, happens. 75% of Americans supported the invasion of Afghanistan. It can therefore reasonably be said that American society supported it. 75% of Palestinians support suicide mass-murder. It can therefore reasonably be said that Palestinian society supports it. This does not mean every facet of society supports it. This does not mean it is a “cultural” or “historical” practice. It means they are doing it now, and the majority of the society now approves of it. And it is fucked up.
Done! I will be alerting the mods of your actions too. This thread has gone as far as it will ever go, please close it.
Relativism can be a good thing, but when taken to extremes it rapidly loses it’s value. Whenever I hear people say they refuse to make any sort of blanket condemnations or moral judgements about a culture, religion or society I think of this quote.
“My nation also has a custom. When men burn women alive, we hang them. Let us all act according to national custom” - George Napier
If terrorists have their reasons to do what they do within the context of their cultural and religious worldviews… then we also have the valid right to condemn and prosecute these people as we see fit as our cultural and moral worldview demands. That is relativism.
Sorry, I guess I’m a bit jumpy about this kind of thing. All the same, you kinda wonder about someone’s mentality . . .
Heh. 
EFREM. Buddy. Pal. You do not get to decide when a thread has gone too far. You do not get to unilaterally ask that a thread be closed, unless you are the OP’er (Original Poster). If you manage to compel the mods to close this thread by making threats in it, you are likely to find yourself suspended or banned for your efforts.
If this discussion is pissing you off too much, then disengage. You don’t have to post any further. Think about what you’re doing before you shoot yourself in the foot here.
Okay guys you are really scaring me. I am NOT making death threats. I have alerted the mods and I will not post from now on. I’m very sorry for the confusion. I retract all statements.
Well, I hope I didn’t scare you, but you should know that saying a statement “deserves death” is odd in English. Only things that are living can “deserve death,” so a statement cannot. Plus it was kind of weird in the context of this conversation, in that you appear to be against killing stuff (and people) and then you say “that statement deserves death!”
I didn’t take it as a threat, but I could see why someone might construe it as close to one, which is why I suggested toning it down a little. No harm, no foul, as far as I’m concerned.
He’s done this before, in this very thread. “firey gates of hell” is a little too 9/11 for me.