Palestinian society, American society and efrem are ALL fucked up. There is, however, a rather wide range of fucked-upness in play. Failure to distinguish degree of fucked-upness is in itself fucked-up. For instance, trying to rationalize Extreme fucked-upness (the Palestinians) by pointing at Serious fucked-upness (the Americans) is a form of Mild fucked-upness (efram).
There. I hope that argument didn’t fuck anybody up.
Getting back to the OP, and especially because of our allegiance on this Board to the truth, I would like to add some new information on the reulctant suicide bomber.
Although it was true that she was chagrined at the thought of wearing immodest clothing, she is now also quoted as saying “I started thinking that I would be killing babies … and imagined what it would be like if my family were sitting in a restaurant and someone bombed them”.
Unfortunately, the cite for this is in print only (The National Post, Friday May 31, 2002 page A13). It originated with Reuters, but I can find neither the Post article or the Reuters source online.
Withal, it is equally clear from the article that had it not been for her revulsion at the immodest attire, she would not have had any inclincation to reflect on, and ultimately renounce, the evil of her planned deed.
And, Efrem, as I told my nine-year-old daughter earlier this week: you can never win an argument with a fool. And you, Efrem, are a fool.
All right, ENOUGH! I have read all of this thread up to this point, and I’ve seen sincere people arguing both sides of a painful issue. But for fuck’s sake, Kimtsu, get it through your head that if the Palestinians truly believed that either the Israelis or the Americans were “enemies bent on their destruction” all but the most ignorant of them would know that Palestinians, individually and as a people, would not exist by now. No one has tried to eradicate Palestinians as a people or as individuals. But, preserving the innocent wherever possible, a huge effort has been made to iradicate the extremists and zealots who would, without hesitation, kill every Jew and every American, regardless of religion, sex, age or degree of physical infirmity.
(Underline emphasis mine. --Geezer)
And efrem, you suggest that some “cause” might justify their actions. I submit to you that there is no cause whatever that would justify the deliberate seeking out and killing of noncombatants. If I understand anything about you personally from your posts, the very thought, warped as it is, is unworthy of you.
So I can’t lay a wholesale condemnation upon slavery?
Yeah, we should try and understand that. If you don’t, you’re just a bigot…:rolleyes:
[Moderator’s Hat: ON]
efrem: Your statement ‘Any blanket statements about Palestinian culture such as “fucked up” deserves death.’ is very easily misconstrued as a threat of physical violence.
The Pit is for open insulting, however direct physical threats- especially threats of death- are not allowed here. I recognize that English is not your first language; therefore, I am letting you off with a warning this time.
To clarify as well, since you seem be misunderstanding a few things:
*The only person who can ask a Mod for a thread to be closed is the person who first started it. Well, okay, anyone can ask, but we only listen to the person who actually first started the thread. Other requests we merely consider tacky.
As for “fiery gates of hell”- I’ve seen way too many people use “The BBQ Pit” as an analogy for Hell or vice versa to even give that phrase notice as anything other than a warning for a flaming. I do appreciate the people who responded by notifying me of the turn this thread was taking; at this point, I hope to chalk it up to misunderstanding and expect efrem to refrain from using “death” as a phrase until he better understands the nuances of its use in American English.
Are we okay, then?
[Mod Hat: OFF]
Thank you.
fine
I what I was mad about was the broad painting of Palestinian society as fucked if you don’t like suicide bombers, etc say that. So, it is really semantics.
Regardless of culture veiws points we can see that bombing are wrong I just didn’t like any painting of Palestinians as a whole as “bombers”.
I can’t argue with that logic :rolleyes:
Not in justicfcation, but in prevention. If we can understand why this is happening we can stop it.
My argument was that we can condemn the act, but I would like you to refrane from wholesale judgement of the people. Slavery isn’t the entire aspect of a soceity.
Just read what Tamerlane said
Trying to pad your post count, eh?
Feeling the need to reply to ten seperate people who you have seriously pissed off and all think that you are a jerk, can do that. Also I think that I’ve seen a definite negitive relationship between the quanty and quality of my posts.
Eh?
I was useing myself as an example in my last post.
Feh, you didn’t piss me off. I’ve already dismissed you as “fucked up”. Incidentally, is there anyone that does like suicide bombers? Wait a sec, it’ll come to me… the Palestinians? They’re not exactly falling all over themselves to prevent such activity. Let’s hear about some Palestinian familes being shunned because one of their sons blew himself and 20 civilians to pieces in a Tel Aviv restaurant. That may demonstrate some appropriate remorse and revulsion.
Nope? Then to reiterate: they’re fucked up.
By the way, in case there are any further thought re: the “semantics” of the argument:
My working definition of “fucked up” for the purposes of this thread is an adjective describing an inability to see the logical outcome of one’s actions and/or the adherence to ritual or dogma despite the pointless reinforcement of a state of fear, misery, pain or ignorance.
Bryan Ekers What are you trying to do? Get a rise out of me? I said all that there is to say about this disscussion, if you want to see my offical position check out Tamerlane’s post it was said more eloquently then what I could ever do.