[QUOTE=Evil Captor]
See, Paris agrees with me. Now, you wretches that have been howling for her blood should take her advice, and focus on things like how the wealthy are using their economic advantage to rip off you and your loved ones. Because right now, Paris Hilton’s being more mature about this than YOU are.
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It’s a PR move, and a wise one. Just came hella late. I don’t think for a second her legal team have thrown their arms up and resigned themselves to the fact that she’s going to be in jail for 45 days or whatever.
I’m amused that there is the assumption that the PH situation is all consuming in people’s lives. Maybe it is, but I went to work this week, continued writing my dissertation, did all the things I usually do.
If she was being mature about this, it would have fallen off the front page about five days ago.
Diogenes, you may be right that her 45 day sentence is excessive, but even if someone wouldn’t normally get any jail time for this (and I’m taking your word on that since I don’t know), I’d argue that the judge would be justified in treating Paris differently because of her wealth.
I mean, say the usual punishment is a fine. The maximum fine would be utterly negligible to someone of Paris’s wealth. So if the putative purpose of the sentence is to discourage future violations of the law, then don’t you think that the judge ought to impose a sentence that actually has some chance of making the offender think twice about it? Taking away Paris’s pocket change or confining her to her mansion don’t seem like they’d serve that purpose.
Incidentally, I’d make a similar argument at the other end of the spectrum. If someone is so poor that fining them the minimum is still a huge hit to their finances, then anything more than that seems excessive.
In a simplistic sort of way, saying “everyone should pay the same fine” seems the most fair, but what really matters is how much of an impact the punishment has on that person.
[QUOTE=Rick]
So what is this the DTC / Lowbrass tag team? You are same the same silly assed things he was. You said and accused people who said this type / length of sentence of “pulling the assertion out of your ass” So I posted a personal experience where I knew someone who got exactly the same sentence as PH, now you dismiss this with it was 20 years ago?
OK, pop quiz:
Over the last 20 years have drunk driving laws in California more lenient? T/F (circle one) If you answered true you are a moron.
I will tell you the same thing I said to DTC,:
Again read what you wrote: I changed the size so you can read what I was responding to without your glasses. I informed you (with cites) that reckless is not a lesser crime, it is an equal crime. Christ, there are not enough :rolleyes: to deal with you and DTC.
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So then, after all that bluster, have you yet provided any evidence that Paris got better treatment than the average person under the same circumstances, save one anecdote from 20 years ago? I didn’t think so.
As people like to say around here, the plural of anecdote is not data.
[QUOTE=Biggirl]
Is this you at the end of this video lobrass?
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Biggirl - I am simply pointing out in this thread that all of you in the horde who are screaming for Paris’ blood and crying and moaning how unfair it is that she’s getting special treatment, and how this seems to signal the downfall of the American justice system, are full of shit.
How, in your mind, that would be the equivalent of my being horribly distraught at the idea of her being in jail, is anyone’s guess.
If anyone has an emotional reason for their position regarding a beautiful, thin, wealthy woman , it would be hmmm… someone named “biggirl”? :dubious:
[QUOTE=lowbrass]
So then, after all that bluster, have you yet provided any evidence that Paris got better treatment than the average person under the same circumstances, save one anecdote from 20 years ago? I didn’t think so.
As people like to say around here, the plural of anecdote is not data.
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Nice selective quoting there sparky. Neither you or DTC has answered this:
**So far we have had two lawyers with over 50 years experience tell you this is not out of line, and two other posters tell you they have seen cow-orkers get similar treatment, and you still have your fingers stuck in your ears going LA-LA-LA I can’t hear you cite LA-LA-LA.
So we can all stop wasting time on this shit, please come right out and tell us exactly what the fuck you will accept as a cite.
Oh and don’t forget, what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, your talking heads will need to match that same level.**
Look I don’t think that PH getting out jail early is the downfall of American justice system, but I do get a little grumpy when poster ignore professionals in the field as well as poster’s personal experiences and claim that PH is getting exactly what everybody else gets for the same charge, when it is a patently false statement.
Still waiting for DTC, lowbrass, or any of the 400$ haircut lawyers on Tv to provide actual evidence that her sentence is out of the ordinary for this judge for these offenses/conduct. Bored now.
[QUOTE=Apos]
Still waiting for DTC, lowbrass, or any of the 400$ haircut lawyers on Tv to provide actual evidence that her sentence is out of the ordinary for this judge for these offenses/conduct. Bored now.
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How dare you accuse folks like Geraldo “Welcome to Al Capone’s Vault” “Our current position in Iraq is here” Rivera pulling thing out of their asses! Next, you’ll be claiming that Fox News isn’t “Fair and Balanced!” I’m shocked! Shocked, I say!
[QUOTE=Apos]
Still waiting for DTC, lowbrass, or any of the 400$ haircut lawyers on Tv to provide actual evidence that her sentence is out of the ordinary for this judge for these offenses/conduct. Bored now.
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Nice reversal there. The mob in this thread keeps screaming that Paris got special treatment. I’m saying she didn’t. Burden of proof is on YOU to show that she got better treatment than the average person under the same circumstances. My only point is that all you folks are whining about alleged favoritism for which you have no evidence.
And no, “this happened to my friend 20 years ago” doesn’t count as evidence. Bzzt! Next please.
[QUOTE=tim314]
In a simplistic sort of way, saying “everyone should pay the same fine” seems the most fair, but what really matters is how much of an impact the punishment has on that person.
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According to my husband (who read it in a Danish newspaper) that is the case in Finland. Some wealthy man there got a speeding ticket for a million US$. Fines are based on a percentage of your worth net. Another case in the news.
I’m not a mob, I’m a person. Both you and DTC have alleged that she has gotten especially harsh treatment. I’m waiting to see if we are going to get better than “turn on your TV.”
**So far we have had two lawyers with over 50 years experience tell you this is not out of line,
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Never said it was out of line. For the umpteenth time, I am merely disputing your assertion that Paris was the recipient of favoritism. The evidence so far shows that she is getting harsher treatment than average. Not “out of line”, just harsher than average. If you want to prove your assertion that she got less harsh treatment than average, you need more than one 20 year old anecdote.
If responding repeatedly and refuting your claims equals “la la la” in your mind, I can’t help you here.
Any sort of non-anecdotal evidence from an expert in the field that proves getting out of jail after a little over 10% of the sentence, under the same circumstances as Paris’, is at all unusual, and would hence constitute any sort of favoritism. I already posted a quote from an expert saying it is NOT unusual at all.
Fuck you. I ignored nothing, and I provided a quote from an expert that was published in a reputable newspaper.
[QUOTE=Apos]
I’m not a mob, I’m a person. Both you and DTC have alleged that she has gotten especially harsh treatment. I’m waiting to see if we are going to get better than “turn on your TV.”
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Apos, I did not say her treatment was “especially harsh”, I only offered the fact that it’s harsher than that received by an average person, and then only to counter the ALREADY MADE assertion that she was getting better than average treatment. Don’t read motivations into my posts that aren’t there. And don’t try to reverse the burden of proof.
[QUOTE=lowbrass]
Biggirl - I am simply pointing out in this thread that all of you in the horde who are screaming for Paris’ blood and crying and moaning how unfair it is that she’s getting special treatment, and how this seems to signal the downfall of the American justice system, are full of shit.
How, in your mind, that would be the equivalent of my being horribly distraught at the idea of her being in jail, is anyone’s guess.
If anyone has an emotional reason for their position regarding a beautiful, thin, wealthy woman , it would be hmmm… someone named “biggirl”? :dubious:
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[QUOTE=lowbrass]
Apos, I did not say her treatment was “especially harsh”, I only offered the fact that it’s harsher than that received by an average person, and then only to counter the ALREADY MADE assertion that she was getting better than average treatment. Don’t read motivations into my posts that aren’t there. And don’t try to reverse the burden of proof.
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As I said in another thread, the real special treatment she gets is that no one ever checks her little gold pocketbook when she gets pulled over. Busting her for DUI etc. is like busting Al Capone for tax evasion.
[QUOTE=Evil Captor]
Because right now, Paris Hilton’s being more mature about this than YOU are.
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More like, her PR flunkies have finally pulled their heads out of their asses and belatedly tried to reverse the spin on this whole ball of wax. Pity they had to (implicitly but IMO offensively) equate concern about our armed forces in the field with media hoopla over their spoiled little brat client. They’d have been better advised to have left it as unspecified more important things in this world to pay attention to.
[QUOTE=lowbrass]
If anyone has an emotional reason for their position regarding a beautiful, thin, wealthy woman , it would be hmmm… someone named “biggirl”? :dubious:
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Oh fuck. The only reason I’m leaving this be is that our esteemed Biggirl has already chimed in perfectly. I’ve met her. I’d say it was (B)ig of her not to eviscerate you, you putz.
