Yeah, and I was only counting the two MG permits. Applications for county MG permits are filed with the county health department.
Why are you trying to correct something I didn’t say?
It was an (unintential) omission on your part, is all.
Utah County MG permits are filed with the County Commission, not with the health department.
There is a required permit from the county health department, but it is seperate and different from the MG permit.
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No. The party wasn’t ‘targeted for oppression’. It was targeted because they didn’t have the correct permits.
60 people were arrested for:
Also note that:
Assuming 600 people at the pary it means that at least 10% were doing something illegal. Having been to similar parties when I was younger I am willing to bet the number of people that had something illegal on them was way over 10%. Why? Because when the cops show up people ditch the stuff (I always did). Hence, the second quote.
Snowboarder Bo Ok, it was private land. Just because someone is on private land DOES NOT give them the right to break the law.
I am willing to bet that they are charging the landowner due to the fact that this (per your own quote) the second time this has happened on her land. She knew exactly what was going to happen and provided (for a fee) assistance.
Also, Snowboarder Bo, where is your outrage at the party promoters who allowed a 17 year old to OD at the party? Why aren’t you railing about the poor judgement of letting an underage kid into a rave and letting that underage kid OD?
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They why would anyone feel the need to “get…information over to the Utah County Health Department for a mass gathering permit”? Has this been changed in the past three years?
You mean you’re correcting a mistake he forgot to make?
I think you guys have a disconnect(but I could be wrong).
It seems to me that Lute is saying you need 2 MG permits.
Bo is saying you need 3 permits(2 MG and one county health permit).
I think you are both right.
Nice to see you, Monty.
Please provide evidence that the party promoters allowed a 17 year old to OD. I seriously doubt they have anything to do with her other than prmoting the event. We don’t even know that anyone OD’ed. All we have is a police statement that a 17 year old female OD’ed and was treated and released to her parents. No hospital visit, no ambulance trip, no paperwork, no heroic rescusitation, no evidence other than the police say-so. The most common symptom of Ecstasy use is dehydration and overheating; it seems likely to me that she was prolly very hot and needed water. But that’s not what people think when you say “OD’ed” is it? The mental image is of an unconscious, near-death state, but if that was the case, I hardly think this girl would have been simply released to her parents. If you have other information, please provide cites. Thanks.
Also, as the editorial said, of the 43 citations issued, about half of them are directly related to the police raid. This reduces the count of actual crimes being commited to perhaps 20 or so.
The landowner, Trudy Childs, did not “know what was going to happen” and provide assistance. She leased her land and had reason to believe, as she stated, that all the proper permits were obtained.
The Utah County Sheriff’s office was targetting this party:
They were targetting this party because of incidents at other parties.
It seems clear to me, from the press release from the Utah County Sheriff’s Dept., and from the show of force made, that the police were attempting to “send a message” that they would not tolerate raves. How many SWAT teams have been called to disperse a local high school football game? I would wager that you could find drug use, underage drinking, and sexual assaults happening at those events, but I can’t recall any time that SWAT teams with automatic weapons air-dropt onto a football field and dispersed the crowd.
Yet, with 4 weeks notice that the rave was going to be held, and with the availability of the promoter’s names and the names of many people involved (there were advance ticket sales, after all), the police chose to go in with armed SWAT teams instead of working with the promoters to ensure that the event happened and things went smoothly and safely. They had a month to investigate, but delayed until the afternoon of the event to check on the permit. In fact, at that point a simple phone call to the promoters could have avoided this whole thing. Call them up, explain that they don’t have the proper permit and that if they insist on having the event, they will be busted. Since no one knew where the event was until they went online that day, the promoters could have explained the situation online and told people “event canceled, hold your tix until we can sort this out, or get a refund”. Now we don’t even need the SWAT teams, the helicopter, the guns, etc. Instead, the police waited and sprung a trap. How is that good use of funds? How is that smart law enforcement? It isn’t.
Police should take every available avenue to do their job without violence, without inflicting harm. They exist to “serve & protect” and, IMO, they could have done that better than they did.
My bolding of public. I don’t click on video files.
Fine. Thank you. Where were those cites already posted in this thread?
Games without the proper permits?
I’ve seen a few dispersed with a large number of troopers, I don’t know if SWAT was involved, when large amounts of fighting broke out.
This is all your information? A one sentence quote from a 3 year old city council meeting minutes? Don’t work those Google fingers too hard, Lute.
I called Utah County and spoke with Jay Stone, who is the head of the Health Department. There is a Utah County Health Dept. Mass Gathering permit, which is concerned with the number of toilets, garbge cans, clean up efforts, etc. There is also a seperate MG permit which must be obtained from the county, and this is the one that must be presented to the county commission for approval, and has nothing to do with the health dept.
As I stated previously, the promoters did have a Health Dept. MG permit. The other permit, from the county commision, is the one that the police say was never obtained. Whether or not they have a MG permit from the state of Utah is also not known at this time.
Again, because you don’tBut they did have the one from the health dept. as Mr. Stone confirmed for me over the phone.
You try getting anything relevant with “Utah County” “Mass Gathering Permit”. 
My scenario asking the question had no mention of permits, did it? It was about underage drinking, drug use, and sexual assault, all of which were cited as the primary reasons for the police being interested in this and other raves. The lack of proper permits was cited in addition to their concerns about drinking, etc. as a reason for being able to bust the rave.
Again, tho, the police had 4 weeks notice that the rave was going to happen, and made no move to stop anything. Even the night of the event, knowing where it was going to happen, they made no move until they sprung their trap. Why not? All the drama could have been avoided with a roadblock or with a notice from the promoters on the website which provided directions. A phone call and a couple of police cars on the egress road(s) could have avoided all the drama. Why wasn’t it handled that way?
I did. That’s how I found the Utah County website, with phone numbers and email addresses. Actually I did it with just the words utah county mass gathering.
Thanks for that, BTW. I’m at work and don’t have time to be poking around the Internet much.
I’m sorry to disappoint my fans, but I’m going to be taking my hysterics to Burning Man where we are going to celebrate our drug-addled hedonism with loud music. None of you should mind, we’ll be WAY THE FUCK OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE INHOSPITABLE DESERT! But that’s just because it’s how much we love you that we want to respect your wishes and get the fuck as far away from most of you suburban maniacs for a short little amount of time.
As for oppression, I won’t be entering into that argument, I’ll have to save it for another day, when we can debate whether or not metrics to measure human rights using the United States as a baseline measure anything about human rights or merely tell us which countries are Americanized.
If toppling two countries this century, using the Drug war to plant DEA spies all over the world, interfering with the lawmaking procedures of allies to keep drugs illegal there or benefit America unfairly in any trade dispute is what a country with a solid human rights record does! Well I think they should be putting assault rifles in the faces of teenagers who didn’t get all the right permits should happen more often!
If me being a tad bit EMOTIONAL or HYSTERICAL over an issue I actually care about is enough to sway your opinion in the favor of stormtroopers then I hope you die really soon, because you actually have no will of your own. I’m so glad that a lot of people are taking notice of this and not letting it get swept under the rug, so that people who actually make up their own mind and aren’t so whimsical with their opinions can make RESPONSIBLE decisions about the way this country should be governed.
I don’t care how young I am, if you think that this was a responsible use of force, you are probably far younger than I.
I command you to stop being idiots by the time I get back from my HEDONISTIC DRUG RITUAL DEDICATED TO AMERICAN SATANISM!!!
Love,
Shnoogy
I LOVE it when people capitalize WORDS.
Okay, mswas has officially turned into Aldebaran.
Are we allowed to wish death on people now? :dubious:
I hope for clarification on this point, because I’ve got a list, and it starts with that bastard… 