So anyone who makes a mistake at work should be fired, eh?
Yes but its not uncommon to see an invited police presence there either. Like I said PD tends to accept responsibility for what gets by them. When you try to keep them away it looks like you are attempting to create an environment to conceal or enable illegal activities.
Crying about the guy who speeds by as a cop writes you a speeding ticket is irrelevant. You got busted, you were doing something wrong, accept the consequesnces of your actions. I personally am not a huge fan of the “War on Drugs” but I also know that if I get caught by a police officer with drugs on me… there will be legal consequences. Maybe if the rave world was a little better at self policing the cops would be more likely to ignore the few things that do go on.
I sure am glad that isn’t the case. Every day, often several times a day
Guy, you’re full of shit. I find no statements regarding the presence of tents. None of the news articles from Deseret News, Daily Herald, KUTV, or the Sheriff’s press release mention them. They didn’t exist. If you have evidence to back up your assertion, please provide a cite.
Even if there were tents, the event itself was scheduled to end at 6:30 am. Camping would be a new mass gathering, and you would have to show that there were 250 people present for more than 12 hours without a permit before they would be in violation. But as I said, there is no evidence I am aware of that there was going to be any camping. If there were tents, please explain how you know that tents would not have been removed at 6:30am, like the DJ equipment, lighting system, and all the other gear.
enipla: yes, Jay Stone confirmed for me over the phone that the police knew about the health department permit in advance. They had called the health department as part of their investigation prior to the date of the party.
My facility would be solely staffed by management. They never make a mistake. 
The city was given the location…it wasn’t hidden from the cops.
sounds to me like it was self policed as much as most conecrts are.
Depends on the mistake. One of my employees forgets to empty the ashtrays at night, I’m not going to fire him. One of my employees throws hot coffee in customers face you bet their ass they are going to be fired.
Cops are hired to enforce our laws. If they are doing something so illegal that they threaten someone with illegal arrest just to hide what they are doing, then they are a criminal themselves and have no business in law enforcement.
bdgr already did a good job of addressing your points, but I just have to ask…are you claiming that '60s counterculture didn’t face any kind of harrassment from law enforcement? Seriously?
Which has usually been the way it happens whenever a rave gets shut down. It’s rare when ravers get out of control (and when it does, it’s usually because the cops act like idiots). Who wants to riot while rolling on ecstasy?
When cops are actually working “to serve and protect”, I have nothing but the highest regard for them. When they’re trying to send a message or pump up their drug bust statistics, fuck 'em.
Or it could be reasonably assumed that 9 hours of dancing in the middle of the night can get tiring, a break to kick back in a tent, maybe even nap for an hour or two isn’t a bad idea. I’ve taken tents in situations like this many times.
I think you overlooked the last three words there.
Here is what I said the police will be arguing.
From that same website you can go to several threads of first hand accounts that mention setting up tents. I don’t know how to link to individual posts or I’d try and make it easier on you to find them. Post 11 (which happens to be also be in the first post of this thread), post 42, post 89 (this was a venders tent and would most likely have been taken down at the same time as the stage.) Post 108, Post 165 (this one quotes someone from another thread), post 282 (another vender, this one liscensed to sell food until 8:00 am), post 296 mentions getting his camping gear, as does post 341.
And because I know you are interested in this, here is something I got from a sight you linked to earlier. This will be what the legal battle will be about. It’s all going to depend on who has the best lawyer, and what judge oversees the case.
Its not going to require too much in the way of a good lawyer for the rave people.
I assume your not going to get up and leave first thing is silly assumption, and wont hold water. The organizers of the event will just show that they instructed security to make everyone leave at 8 or whatever. It won’t be hard to argue.
dang, bdgr already said it
“the damned time”? What am I missing?
The case hinges on the fact that tents were set up? :smack:
ExTank, you have official turned into the adult we all swore we weren’t going to.
The place where the Rave took place was Utah County AKA Happy Valley (because of the wide use of Prozac) AKA Stepford Utah AKA The Whitest Bread Mormonville Best Image Possible Place on Earth. I don’t have any cites other than my 43 years of living in Utah, but Utah County officials have ALWAYS tried to keep the “bad element” out of their God fearing towns. Anything other than your wholesome Mormon kids don’t have a fighting chance in Utah Valley.
It’s sad but certainly not new.
Yeah I lived in happy valley for a decade one year. It was…differant…
Hell, I remember seeing the dead in SLC(which compared to happy valley…) and you would have thought they were giveing out free pipe bombs at a rage against the machine show. I have never seen so many cops in one place in my life.
I blame the fry sauce.
I miscounted, it was supposed to be “four”. 
Now you’re just being nasty mean.
Riiight. We’re back to the “Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.”
You are right, that wasn’t very nice of me. Sorry Gramps. 
Naw, not really, just my own personal observation from living in Utah for the past 43 years. The Mormon population is very strong and dense in conservative Utah County and they basically run the place. I have nothing against the church, but it is my firm opinion that non-Mormons, especially unruly ravers :rolleyes: are under extreme scrutiny by public officials. I know how it was when I was growing up in a much less conservative county. We couldn’t sneeze without a cop or school official searching our snot for cocaine. God save your soul if you listened to devil music like Sabbath or Zepplin. I wish I was kidding.
I don’t think the irony or humor is lost on the fact that this movie http://imdb.com/title/tt0087277/ was filmed in Payson, Utah (they renamed it in the movie to Layson or some shit) which is in Utah County.
All it is, is SSDD (same shit, different decade). Adults expecting to find bad behavior in young people and usually finding it when they look hard enough.
Diane
My SO just showed me the place where that one dance scene was shot on a drive to the folks’ place in Vernal.
Haven’t spent that much time in UT, but his recollections and experience are not different than what you described in your post.
“all the damned time” Still don’t know what I’m missing. How am I being whooshed here?