Not really. This being an outdoor event, it would have required two mass gathering permits. One from the county health department and a second one from the state.
I’m tired of selfish little brats who can’t be bothered to show any consideration to others. I guess we’re even.
It isn’t illegal. If using similiar weapons as the military (submachine guns, M-16 variants, etc…) isn’t illegal then I don’t see how a pair of fatigues is. So long as the military doesn’t start directly enforcing the law then they haven’t violated the act. Wearing fatigues does not a soldier make.
Build up a culture with illegal activities at its core and the police will be all over your ass.
I’m sure you’ll scream police brutality when they taser you and bind your arms behind your back.
You have a pretty high opinion of raves. Is this really where the revolution will begin?
I suppose your right to camp loudly supercedes another’s right to camp quietly once in a while? You selfish little prick. Most people head to camp grounds in order to get away from it all not to listen to a bunch of whiney little shits blasting their music until the wee hours of the night.
You wonder why people don’t take you seriously?
Marc
People who are dead are very peaceful, and I didn’t say one word about banning anything.
I see from your public profile that you were born in 1977 and so, I expect, entered the workforce in the middle to late '90s, and I’m guessing your work is computer-related as you mention having your own computer company. Your generation’s parents did not have the completely accidental good fortune to start working at a time when the U.S. was gripped by a genuine investment mania that triggered a flood of money into computer-related businesses. I’m certain the Baby Boom generation is just as entrepreneurial as yours; the Boomers simply didn’t have the great good luck to enter the workforce at a time when similar amounts of money were being tossed around so casually.
BTW, I don’t know if you were referring to yourself when you mentioned people earning as much as their parents, but I think it’s worth noting that a person would have had to earn almost $114,000 in 1999 to equal a $40,000 salary in 1977, according to the handy Inflation Calculator.
Glad I’m not the only one.
The Deseret News (owned by the LDS Church) and the Salt Lake Tribune are NOT owned by the same company. As Guy from Utah has pointed out, the Tribune regularly shows its anti-Mormon bias in its editorial content.
However, the Deseret News and the Tribune jointly own the Newspaper Agency Corporation, which handles printing, circulation and advertising for both papers. The NAC has no voice in editorial content of either paper.
Man, I think everyone in this thread is fucking insane.
Try for just one second to imagine telling this story to Thomas Jefferson or Alexander Hamilton and imagine what they would say? Tell them that 90 well armed soldiers went in to stop a few hundred inebriated kids from dancing. Try to imagine the shock and horror they would have at this idea?
I think you’re all missing the point. It’s not an anti-authoritarian thing. It simply isn’t about that, and any fucking lame attempt to try and paint me with that brush is fucking ridiculous. The truth is, that this sort of behavior from our government is RIDICULOUS. As many people have poitned out, raves get busted without such excessive force constantly.
All of you are saying I am a selfish little fuck for wantign to go out into the middle of FUCKING NOWHERE to have a party. Yet you refuse to wrap your narrow little minds around the fact that the police follow us wherever we go, and stop us wherever we go. We go to great lengths to hide our activities. I don’t care that it’s illegal, the point is that it SHOULDN’T BE illegal. Legality does not justify it. Tyranny’s make themselves legal by changing the laws to suit the powers. The Drug war is absolutely ludicrous and it has made a bunch of idiots like yourselves try to find any specious way that they can tacitly support putting AN ASSAULT RIFLE IN THE FACE OF A TEENAGER.
Please, do me a favor, get your heads out of your fucknig asses.
Oh, and BTW, ExTank you fucking :wally I am severely anti-gun control, we need to have weapons to shoot those cops if they aren’t reined in. That’s what the second amendment is for, to protect the other 9, despite what all your armchair philosophy trying to twist the idea of personal freedom and rights until they are absolutely meaningless might tell you.
Again, I have NO PROBLEM going out of your faces, I WANT to get out of your faces, but the cops follow us. They follow us when there are no soundsystems. At the Rainbow Gathering, a gathering that is in national forests, where we have the right to gather, where no one brings ANY sound systems, and the people leave the land in better shape than almost any other campers, STILL gets fucked with by the cops. They follow us everywhere we go, so don’t act like this shit doesn’t happen.
The internet may have blessed me with the ability to get venture capital much more easily than my parents, but the truth of the matter is, I am on my way to being far and away more wealthy than my father is, and this is the sort of thing I am going to bend my will and my checkbook toward.
Believe me, I am not going to resist arrest stupidly. I have friends who do copwatch here in New York, where they harass the Critical Mass bikeriders. They harass people RIDING BIKES in the streets. They politicized what was a family event for 15 years, now people are getting arrested regularly at these events, and children can no longer come. The copwatch people have it down to a science, and have gotten MANY police on record and even shown where during the RNC, the Police DOCTORED EVIDENCE to fuck with people, over a THOUSAND cases were thrown out.
Get your head out of the sand, this isn’t isolated, and it’s not just a matter of disaffected youth as much as you might need to believe that so that you don’t have to accept that we are in the midst of a geo-political shift.
One thing I find telling is that it’s mostly Americans who are trying to defend the police behavior in this. Most non-Americans I know take it as common knowledge that the American government is one of the most oppressive governments in the world.
Erek
Who’s “us”? Ravers?
If I were a cop going into a situation where I knew there were people holding this attitude, I’d sure as shit bring helicopters and assault weapons.
How can you people watch footage of swat with Assault rifles shutting down a party and tell me that I’m fantasizing about this? The video is right there, is your denial that deep? Can’t you cut through your cognitive dissonance at all?
This goes way beyond permit or not, the police went WAY over the line and should be accountable for it, it’s too bad there are plenty of people who don’t want to hold them accountable. If more people in the OLDER generation would use a little more common sense about these issues, WE in the younger generation probably wouldn’t feel marginalized. A few phone calls from concerned adults to their local representatives would be enough to help everyone get along, but in my experience it seems like the Baby Boomer and “Greatest” Generations want us to live their combatitiveness toward one another. The truth is we don’t.
I have an aunt who was defending the war in Iraq using her nostalgia for World War II as justification. It’s insane. Please wake up, please please please.
Erek
And do you please have a site that the American government is one of the most oppressive governments in the world? That’s a pretty big claim. If you look at the annual Freedom House rankings, which rank political and civil liberties from 1-7, with one being most free, and seven being most repressive, the United States ranks 1 and 1. This makes it one of the most free countries in the world.
If you don’t want to be painted with that brush then I suggest you stop handing out the rope used to hang you. It would help if you’d started the thread without the histrionics and made a more reasonable attempt to state your point instead of sounding like a petulant child. Maybe then you might be taken a bit more seriously by people who don’t go to raves and throw the word fascist around.
At this point there’s been no conclusive evidence that excessive force was used.
I’m not a big fan of the war on drugs but if you organize events were illegal drugs and alcohol is used by minors what do you expect to happen?
You’re a selfish little fuck for not giving a shit about anyone else in the area.
I’m going to give you credit mswas, at least you’ve got the balls to admit why events secret are kept secret. Whether you like it or not it is currently illegal. If you wish to engage in civil disobedience then by all means go ahead. Just don’t be surprised when you get busted for it.
I’m not a big fan of the war on drugs either but if I was making and distributing pills I’d expect a knock on the door from the local PD.
You need to find some non-Americans who have travelled a bit more.
Marc
“Non-white land owning males are voting?” 
…right near a campground.
Well, which 17 amendments are you blowing off?
Yup, thats why nobody emigrates here anymore. China’s got nuttin’ on us!
They have a name for the one guy who thinks everyone else is crazy…
mswas, you are hilarious. I’m sure you can’t possibly appreciate what a hysterical ass you appear to be to many of us. Your invocation of Thomas Jefferson is naive and uninformed, like most of what you have written here. The founders didn’t risk life and property to preserve the right of morons to have parties. The right they wanted to ensure was the right to lawful assemblies. The rave in question was not a lawful assembly, on several counts. You keeping screeching about assault rifles. Does that mean you would have been okay with pistols and shotguns? If so, what is the huge difference you see between these weapons in terms of their appropriateness in this case? Or would you prefer that the police go about unarmed? Does it strike you as a very important point that these weapons were not fired? Probably not.
And how can you expect any adult to take you seriously when you spout utter horse shit like this:
Most responders on this thread are from the US perhaps because this is a rather trivial matter of primarily local interest. Regarding the oppressiveness of the US government, are you claiming that you know foreigners who haved lived in the US and elsewhere, and consider our government oppressive? Please elborate. What is oppression? Whiny kids sent home from an illegal party? Grow up.
Once again, the SDMB comes through in fighting ignorance.
Sunday night a friend and I were wondering what happened to all the jackbooted government thug-fearing loonies since President Clinton left office.
Apparently they’re all attending raves.
Sorry, it’s so similar to Tienaman Square that I get the two confused.
Speak for yourself, twitsicle. You, like me, can call your freakin’ representative just as well as your parents can. Well, unless it’s a rotary phone I 'spose. :rolleyes:
Wake up yourself and stop expecting anyone to hand you the world on a digital platter.
Here’s an idea: get a bunch of your raver friends together, take up a collection, buy a private island, and form your own country. Then you wouldn’t need to worry about M16-carrying, camouflage-wearing cops anymore.
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Well armed police, not soldiers. There’s a slight difference in function, you know. Well, maybe you don’t.
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They did not go in to stop kids from dancing; that the dancing stopped was a more in the line of a side effect.
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I think the first thing TJ and AH would say is, “these young people were doing what??” As long as we’re imagining the thought processes of people from more than two hundred years ago that we’ve never met, imagine the shock and horror they would have at the spectacle of a rave in full cry. Personally, I suspect they would have called the cops themselves. Not that I would agree with that; I’m just sayin’.
Just trying to stick to the facts here.
You better read your history. Alexander Hamilton was outragously pro-military intervention when it came to the Whiskey Rebellion. He bugged Washington relentlessly until 13,000 troops were sent into the frontier to shoot Americans who didn’t want to pay a seven cent tax on booze.
If you met Hamilton face-to-face and complained that the police swooped in to crack down on a rave, what with all the loud music, drugs and hellions, he would laugh in your face and call you a traitor to law and order. You literally could not be more off base on this.